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Fans, what don't you like about DS9?
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I only have a few complaints:
1. Kira/Odo. Hated it. I mean, I REALLY hated it. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it, in fact.
2. This one is sorta tied to item #1 - Killing off Bariel. No reason for them to do it, and I wish they hadn't. He could easily have continued to be tied in with the Evil Kai Winn storyline and ended up Kai at the end of DS9.
3. Ezri. Nothing against her personally, nor against Nicole - I actually quite like them both. I just got frustrated over how much time was spend getting her character up to speed in season 7. It would have been nice to have seen more of the war - not Ezri backstory - during that critical time.
4. Worf. Jeez what a stick he had up his ass on DS9. Well, maybe on TNG too, but on DS9 it was really out of place, whereas on TNG.....well....erm....let's just say he blended in alot more.
The ONLY good thing about Worf coming on this show as that it eventually lead to Martok, who is a most excellent Klingon. 
1. Kira/Odo. Hated it. I mean, I REALLY hated it. Gives me the creeps just thinking about it, in fact.
2. This one is sorta tied to item #1 - Killing off Bariel. No reason for them to do it, and I wish they hadn't. He could easily have continued to be tied in with the Evil Kai Winn storyline and ended up Kai at the end of DS9.
3. Ezri. Nothing against her personally, nor against Nicole - I actually quite like them both. I just got frustrated over how much time was spend getting her character up to speed in season 7. It would have been nice to have seen more of the war - not Ezri backstory - during that critical time.
4. Worf. Jeez what a stick he had up his ass on DS9. Well, maybe on TNG too, but on DS9 it was really out of place, whereas on TNG.....well....erm....let's just say he blended in alot more.
The ONLY good thing about Worf coming on this show as that it eventually lead to Martok, who is a most excellent Klingon. 
Last week I watched Life Support and that was the first thing I thought after it ended. I've seen the episode a few times already, but this time the first question I asked was, was it really necessary to kill off Bariel? I was reading the comments in the Companion about it, and they pretty much said that there wasn't anywhere they could have gone with the character. I find this quote almost the same reasoning (and a pretty bad one at that) as to why Kes left. I guess hindsight is 20/20, but they could have had Bariel be a good foil for Winn, which he was. It also could have kept the commadrae (sp?) of season 2 between Odo and Kira.
There were a few things that I didn't care for:
1. Worf/Dax: It took me a long time to accept this relationship. I perferred Worf with Troi, they were more opposite and it made the pairing more interesting to me.
2. Odo/Kira: I didn't like this one either at first, but when by the end of the series I really liked it.
3. Section 31: They had one good episode, the Romulus one, but for the most part they were pretty ineffectual. I loved the concept, but the execution was lacking.
4. Mirror Universe: The writers went to this well one too many times.
5. Sisko/Dukat final showdown: I love Sisko, I love Dukat, but I was hoping for more than what we got. Anyone could've done with Sisko did. What made him so special? If he had developed Prophet-like powers or something it would've made more sense that he was chosen to take on Dukat.
6. Dax's death: It was just so poorly done and a wasted opportunity to make her death more poignant in "Change of Heart"
7. Jake's disappearance in Season 7. Jake wasn't my favorite character but he was a part of the show and somewhat interesting in his own right. A little focus on him, perhaps being a reporter in the war zone, would've given him some proper closure for me.
8. Bajor not being admitted into the Federation.
9. No Borg episode. I wanted to see Sisko in command of the Defiant taking on the Borg at least once. It didn't have to be a full-on Borg invasion, but it would've been sweet to see him in action.
10. The Jack Pack. I found those episodes very boring, the only Augments I don't like.
11. Take Me Out to the Holosuite. I thought this episode was a bit too unfair to Vulcans.
12. Klingons boarding the station in "Way of the Warrior". Those some of the dumbest warriors I've ever seen. The first time I looked at it I thought it was cool as hell, but upon further viewing I thought the Klingons were horrible fighters.
1. Worf/Dax: It took me a long time to accept this relationship. I perferred Worf with Troi, they were more opposite and it made the pairing more interesting to me.
2. Odo/Kira: I didn't like this one either at first, but when by the end of the series I really liked it.
3. Section 31: They had one good episode, the Romulus one, but for the most part they were pretty ineffectual. I loved the concept, but the execution was lacking.
4. Mirror Universe: The writers went to this well one too many times.
5. Sisko/Dukat final showdown: I love Sisko, I love Dukat, but I was hoping for more than what we got. Anyone could've done with Sisko did. What made him so special? If he had developed Prophet-like powers or something it would've made more sense that he was chosen to take on Dukat.
6. Dax's death: It was just so poorly done and a wasted opportunity to make her death more poignant in "Change of Heart"
7. Jake's disappearance in Season 7. Jake wasn't my favorite character but he was a part of the show and somewhat interesting in his own right. A little focus on him, perhaps being a reporter in the war zone, would've given him some proper closure for me.
8. Bajor not being admitted into the Federation.
9. No Borg episode. I wanted to see Sisko in command of the Defiant taking on the Borg at least once. It didn't have to be a full-on Borg invasion, but it would've been sweet to see him in action.
10. The Jack Pack. I found those episodes very boring, the only Augments I don't like.
11. Take Me Out to the Holosuite. I thought this episode was a bit too unfair to Vulcans.
12. Klingons boarding the station in "Way of the Warrior". Those some of the dumbest warriors I've ever seen. The first time I looked at it I thought it was cool as hell, but upon further viewing I thought the Klingons were horrible fighters.
In response to Mr. Scott,
I had no problem with Sisko feeling uncomfortable with going into Vic's. Brooks understood that Star Trek is a show about the future, but written by contemporary people for contemporary audiences and IMO he wanted to make sure that people remembered that such prejudice existed. Sisko respected the memory and struggles of his ancestors and I had no problem with that. BTW, Worf is not black. He's Klingon. He was played by a black actor.
I had no problem with Sisko feeling uncomfortable with going into Vic's. Brooks understood that Star Trek is a show about the future, but written by contemporary people for contemporary audiences and IMO he wanted to make sure that people remembered that such prejudice existed. Sisko respected the memory and struggles of his ancestors and I had no problem with that. BTW, Worf is not black. He's Klingon. He was played by a black actor.
1) The Emissary arc. I'm no where near being anti-religion but that arc went on for too long. I was soooo tired of Emissary stories by the time season seven aired.
2) The destruction of Dukat's character. I've posted this before and will post it again: Everything that Damar did in season seven should have been done by Dukat. Sisko could have thrown Winn into the fire pit at the end. Too bad Behr was hell bent on destroying one of the best villains in Trek.
3) Keiko, Molly and Leeta. Nothing against the actresses themselves because they did well with what they were given to work with. It's just that these characters were created more for the sake of developing other charcters, instead of the development of themselves.
4) The Pah-Wraith arc (see number 1 and 2 again).
2) The destruction of Dukat's character. I've posted this before and will post it again: Everything that Damar did in season seven should have been done by Dukat. Sisko could have thrown Winn into the fire pit at the end. Too bad Behr was hell bent on destroying one of the best villains in Trek.
3) Keiko, Molly and Leeta. Nothing against the actresses themselves because they did well with what they were given to work with. It's just that these characters were created more for the sake of developing other charcters, instead of the development of themselves.
4) The Pah-Wraith arc (see number 1 and 2 again).
Nope. I thought a lot of people didn't really care for Sisko Space Jesus (even if Sisko Space Mohammed was fine).
There's not much I can add that people haven't already said, and a lot of what people have complained about I liked--I loved Ezri, for example; without the Odo-Kira relationship, one of S7's best episodes, Chimera, can't exist; I even liked virtually all of the Ferengi episodes, although their collapse into caricature, begun in TNG, was truly completed by DS9 I can recognize that Profit and Lace was a bridge too far for more conventional viewers.
There are definitely things I would have done differently, given godlike powers over the show. For example, I'd have had Earth snuffed, and the allies actually losing the war before the miracle of biological warfare saved them. Earth's boring anyway. Its only value is the emotional investment of the obviously human audience, so why not capitalize on that instead of just jerking our chains for once?
The Breen needed a good reason to join the war. As it stood, they were just... there. Joining the Dominion three months before the Dominion's Alpha Quadrant holdings bit the dust. It made no sense. At least the "allies losing" angle would've explained this.
I'd have liked to have seen Probert's Marauders somewhere, somewhen during a series otherwise chock full of Ferengi stuff.
More Romulans. Many more. Probably fewer Klingons.
I just started rewatching the entire DS9 series (only a few eps into Season 1, which is actually better than I remembered). I know I'm in the minority here, but Kira comes off to me as a whiny selfish brat. She doesn't seem to be willing to work or compromise with anyone, even Sisko. I just wish she was a little nicer so maybe I could like her instead of rolling my eyes every time she throws one of her onscreen tantrums about Bajor.
They dropped that aspect of her character pretty early on, thankfully.
4. Worf. Jeez what a stick he had up his ass on DS9. Well, maybe on TNG too, but on DS9 it was really out of place, whereas on TNG.....well....erm....let's just say he blended in alot more.
I'd say you hit the nail on the head regarding the bit about TNG. With the rule of no internal conflict & the characters are all 'heroes' most of TNG's cast can come off as really wooden and stilted so it's fair enough if you dropped Worf into a different environment he'd come off more like a TNG character than a DS9 one. Plus I'm not a great fan on the Klingon's Dignity/Honour stuff as I feel it can make them appear incredibly one-dimensional at times.
But I guess it'd be the same if Odo or Quark went to VOY, they just wouldn't really fit in without a bit of a change, Odo's gruffness would most likely grate on the crew there since it does seem like a much warmer family.
4. Worf. Jeez what a stick he had up his ass on DS9. Well, maybe on TNG too, but on DS9 it was really out of place, whereas on TNG.....well....erm....let's just say he blended in alot more.
I'd say you hit the nail on the head regarding the bit about TNG. With the rule of no internal conflict & the characters are all 'heroes' most of TNG's cast can come off as really wooden and stilted so it's fair enough if you dropped Worf into a different environment he'd come off more like a TNG character than a DS9 one. Plus I'm not a great fan on the Klingon's Dignity/Honour stuff as I feel it can make them appear incredibly one-dimensional at times.
But I guess it'd be the same if Odo or Quark went to VOY, they just wouldn't really fit in without a bit of a change, Odo's gruffness would most likely grate on the crew there since it does seem like a much warmer family.
Yeah, like to see Neelix give Odo a big bear hug. "Stand away and don't touch me anymore you little bemulleted dweeb.........If you ever try to touch me again, I'll reach into that pathetically fat body and remove your gallbladder and make you eat each and every gallstone...hrmmphhh"
Two things:
1. Too many Ferengi eps. I am rewatching the show end-to-end with my gf and honestly the Ferengi eps make me cringe with embarassment for going on about what a great show it was. There are one or two diamonds in the rough but on the whole THEY SUCK HARD.
2. The finale. So disappointing.
Everything else ruled, I love both Dax characters.
1. Too many Ferengi eps. I am rewatching the show end-to-end with my gf and honestly the Ferengi eps make me cringe with embarassment for going on about what a great show it was. There are one or two diamonds in the rough but on the whole THEY SUCK HARD.
2. The finale. So disappointing.
Everything else ruled, I love both Dax characters.
The Klingons being forced into the show in the fourth season. The first 3 seasons with the Dax Klingon episodes were more than enough for me. Worf never felt like he fit in for me and I didn't like the Worf/Dax arc. I would much have rather seen a lot more of the Romulans. The Klingons got TNG, why couldn't the Romulans have gotten DS9?
Vic Fontaine- hated, hated, hated him. I would have enjoyed the Kira/Odo arc better without him.
Lack of Bajoran episodes starting in the fourth season. Also didn't see the point of killing of Bareil. I'm rewatching the series and am currently at the end of the fourth season and am even missing Kai Winn (a little teeny bit).
However, when they did get back to the Bajorans they had to have the Pah-wraiths. I didn't care for them either and what was done with the Winn and Dukat characters.
Didn't like genetically engineered Bashir- it made his earlier failures seem odd in the light of his superiority. And as someone else pointed out- why did he even bother playing darts? I generally like Bashir, but they really gave him some dogs of episodes.
They almost went one too many times to the well on the Ferengi episodes.
After writing this out- I don't know why I even am bother watching it over?? Hrumph!
OH, it is because I loved the Luxwana Troi episodes.
(Actually I didn't mind her at all). DS9 did so many things right I wish they could have just gotten a few more things better.
Vic Fontaine- hated, hated, hated him. I would have enjoyed the Kira/Odo arc better without him.
Lack of Bajoran episodes starting in the fourth season. Also didn't see the point of killing of Bareil. I'm rewatching the series and am currently at the end of the fourth season and am even missing Kai Winn (a little teeny bit).
However, when they did get back to the Bajorans they had to have the Pah-wraiths. I didn't care for them either and what was done with the Winn and Dukat characters.
Didn't like genetically engineered Bashir- it made his earlier failures seem odd in the light of his superiority. And as someone else pointed out- why did he even bother playing darts? I generally like Bashir, but they really gave him some dogs of episodes.
They almost went one too many times to the well on the Ferengi episodes.
After writing this out- I don't know why I even am bother watching it over?? Hrumph!
OH, it is because I loved the Luxwana Troi episodes.
(Actually I didn't mind her at all). DS9 did so many things right I wish they could have just gotten a few more things better.
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I would have liked to see more about Bajor, and the struggles and hurdles it has while trying to join the Federation.
I also would have liked to see more about the consequences of the Bajoran faith being undermined by the "science" of the wormhole aliens. This was touched on, but the mystical aspects of the faith meshed so well with the "superscience" of the aliens that it seemed to strengthen their faith, not reduce it. So much magic of the Bajorans seemed literally true - the orbs with their various powers, the Pagh Wraiths, etc. It wasn't very Star Trek for me (which has always had a more secular leaning).
Needless to say, all of Dukat's and Winn's storylines from the last season were terrible. Mystical books, pagh wraiths, prophecies, magical fires, etc. Just awful.
I also would have liked to see more about the consequences of the Bajoran faith being undermined by the "science" of the wormhole aliens. This was touched on, but the mystical aspects of the faith meshed so well with the "superscience" of the aliens that it seemed to strengthen their faith, not reduce it. So much magic of the Bajorans seemed literally true - the orbs with their various powers, the Pagh Wraiths, etc. It wasn't very Star Trek for me (which has always had a more secular leaning).
Needless to say, all of Dukat's and Winn's storylines from the last season were terrible. Mystical books, pagh wraiths, prophecies, magical fires, etc. Just awful.
Except that TNG and VOY have zero character development & zero story development whatsoever, not to mention no conflict (which is a major fubar when it comes to drama). So how could DS9 possibly be 'no better"? I could go on for years about how those series in no way can compare to DS9 on a quality level in additional ways as well, but for the sake of discussion I'll just stick with those tangible facts that DS9 clearly has and TNG and VOY don't.
I wouldn't call them "facts" dude. Just because you didn't like something doesn't mean it's a fact.
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