Fan reactions to Starfleet Academy's female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character

[Nerys Myk]

IMHO the easiest explanation is there are still only male Jem'Hadar, but they're capable of siring children with other races, and her mother is a Klingon.

While one could argue that it's weird the Founders allowed the Jem'Hadar, as an engineered race which was grown in a lab, to be fertile, it could be argued that there would be just that much extra intimidation if you feared your daughters could be kidnapped and made to sire half-alien babies.

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[Timofnine]

She was confirmed by the creators to be one.

I seek the Creator.

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[Timofnine]

We literally saw the character on screen
So, you're seeing the characteristics of a "DS9 species" yet don't see that it's Jem'Hadar?

Makeup and costumes can be slightly ‘tweaked’ to avoid copyright infringements and other legalities, yet still allowing for familiarity via visual association to previous designs. Michael Westmore would be spinning in his grave if he saw that new Academy Klingon forehead, or the ‘presumed’ Jem’Hadar/Klingon hybrid. The Alien makeup seems ‘3D printed’ and designed to be easy ‘slip on, slip off’ mask like prosthetics to facilitate short notice of filming ‘slap on, slap off’, and to minimise the need for makeup artists.

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Have none of the new production staff/special effects/make up artists in Nu-Trek read the required reading of Roddenberry’s ‘Trek Bible’? Surely if they were hired for their roles, this document would have been required study before they were contracted work on the show?

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This is also a bit like when Star Wars changed the word ‘Trek’ to ‘Wars’ , or how the Shat turned the word ‘Trek’ to ‘Tek’ for his fan fic novels. J. Michael Straczynski also called his show ‘Babylon 5’ instead of ‘Babylon 9’, meaning that he avoided blatantly ripping off Deep Space 9’s title as well as its storylines… he just changed the reg number of his space station slightly and went a bit biblical with the stations name whilst also changing the names of involved species, planets and organisations. I have never seen Babylon 5, btw.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Makeup and costumes can be slightly ‘tweaked’ to avoid copyright infringements and other legalities, yet still allowing for familiarity via visual association to previous designs.

I don't think any of the makeup is copyrighted by anyone other than Paramount/CBS. There are no legalities involved there.

Michael Westmore would be spinning in his grave if he saw that new Academy Klingon forehead, or the ‘presumed’ Jem’Hadar/Klingon hybrid. The Alien makeup seems ‘3D printed’ and designed to be easy ‘slip on, slip off’ mask like prosthetics to facilitate short notice of filming ‘slap on, slap off’, and to minimise the need for makeup artists.

Wouldn't Westmore have to be dead first? I'm pretty sure all of the main alien characters are using prosthetics, just like they did in the "old days". And based on interviews, the actor playing the Klingon in SFA has to spend hours in make up. Arriving very early in the morning to get made up. I think he said his call time was 1:00 AM!

 

[Timofnine]

Wouldn't Westmore have to be dead first? I'm pretty sure all of the main alien characters are using prosthetics, just like they did in the "old days". And based on interviews, the actor playing the Klingon in SFA has to spend hours in make up. Arriving very early in the morning to get made up. I think he said his call time was 1:00 AM!

Then surely they should have hired Westmore as head make up artist if he is indeed still alive, a bit like how they got the Okuda’s back for Picard season 3 (and potentially Legacy) to make ‘Okuda grams’.

Michael Dorn used to spend hours in his make up room, too… but Michael’s TNG prosthetics only took 2 hours to apply, and his make up looked ‘better’, with fading, contouring and highlighting etc.

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[Nerys Myk]

Then surely they should have hired Westmore as head make up artist if he is indeed still alive,

He's 87 years old and retired. And since you have a computer, it's quite easy to confirm he's alive.

 

[Timofnine]

He's 87 years old and retired. And since you have a computer, it's quite easy to confirm he's alive.

Isn’t that like the median age of all current actors, production staff etc on the new Legacy series?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Isn’t that like the median age of all current actors, production staff etc on the new Legacy series?

I'll give you that one.

 

[DSG2k]

Anyone complaining about the female Jem’Hadar have lost me.

Its 800 years into the future from DS9. Things change.

Inasmuch as we are going from 0 or 1 to 2 for the Jem'Hadar insofar as biological sexes, it's on par with having Romulans suddenly sporting a third. Sure, things can change, but it's not beyond the pale for people to do some dubyatieffing.

 

[fireproof78]

Inasmuch as we are going from 0 or 1 to 2 for the Jem'Hadar insofar as biological sexes, it's on par with having Romulans suddenly sporting a third. Sure, things can change, but it's not beyond the pale for people to do some dubyatieffing.

Since we don't know for certain this one doesn't seem as far fetched as the Romulan example.

 

[DSG2k]

The Alien makeup seems ‘3D printed’ and designed to be easy ‘slip on, slip off’ mask like prosthetics to facilitate short notice of filming ‘slap on, slap off’, and to minimise the need for makeup artists.

This was certainly true for the original Discoverse Klingons, and is also why they were hairless. However, since then, the production has upped its game in that regard.

he avoided blatantly ripping off Deep Space 9’s title as well as its storylines…

"Yousa say this thread is gonna die?!?" LOL

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I have never seen Babylon 5, btw.

That much I could have guessed.

I will note that the relationship between DS9 and B5 is a remarkable irony: two producers both came up with the idea of a television series set aboard a large space station, both at roughly the same time, and each went out of his way to differentiate his show from the other, and yet their efforts resulted in convergence, rather than divergence.

B5, BTW, is the longest-running miniseries in television history: it was specifically intended to be closed-ended (unheard of for anything running for more than, say, a dozen episodes), planned to run exactly 5 seasons, with a definite beginning and a definite ending. The first season was mostly episodic, but introduced the seeds of a serialized plot that became apparent in the second season, and dominant by about the third or fourth. And JMS built in a degree of flexibility, to deal with actors wanting to be written out.

 

[Fateor]

This was certainly true for the original Discoverse Klingons, and is also why they were hairless. However, since then, the production has upped its game in that regard.

I wouldn't really say that.

For Academy we have.

A Klingon who's forehead looks stiff and plasticy.

A Feregni that looks to be wearing the same badly made headpiece as we saw on Discovery.

A female Jem'Hadar whose skin is a very flat uniform color resulting in a generally artificial look.