Falling Skies - Season 2- discussion/Spoilers

[Mr. Adventure]

Maybe its generational (or Canadian) for us who remember Max Headroom.

Maybe, Edison Carter was one of my favorite TV heroes when I was growing up.

I was a weird kid.....

 

[Rhaven]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

 

[FPAlpha]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

Barack Obama is a former professor

And why not? I'd surely choose a professor of any kind (especially a history professor) over a plumber any day (no disrespect to plumbers but not what i envision as civil leaders).
As i said earlier the need for stability and normality is great and having things be done as they used to surely increases the comfort people may feel.

With the military in control you will alway be reminded that a war is going on and you may have to fight.. with a civilian leader at least you know that people are planning for the future and try to establish a certain order.

 

[DarthTom]

for me he'll always be the neighbor's dad from Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Berlinghoff Rasmussen and more recently Taggart from Eureka

And lest we forget the quirky time traveler allgedly from the future but really from the past on TNG.

 

[Rhaven]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

Barack Obama is a former professor

Yeah. I know. Subtle, aren't I? lol But, I think the military has more smarts than the general public. Especially a group of starving civilians.

And why not? I'd surely choose a professor of any kind (especially a history professor) over a plumber any day (no disrespect to plumbers but not what i envision as civil leaders).
As i said earlier the need for stability and normality is great and having things be done as they used to surely increases the comfort people may feel.

With the military in control you will alway be reminded that a war is going on and you may have to fight.. with a civilian leader at least you know that people are planning for the future and try to establish a certain order.

IDK. I think it's too soon to try and settle down to a normal life. The planet is still occupied by the aliens. My way of thinking is: survive, hide, regroup and try and fight back.

 

[Sindatur]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

You mean like Tom Mason, The Professor, being Second in Command of the Second Mass and being in charge in Weaver's absence and incapacitation?

 

[Rhaven]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

You mean like Tom Mason, The Professor, being Second in Command of the Second Mass and being in charge in Weaver's absence and incapacitation?

Yes, Tom is a professor, but he's a fighter first now. He's proven himself there. O'Quinn's character just seemed like a power hungry spoiled child.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

for me he'll always be the neighbor's dad from Honey I Shrunk the Kids, Berlinghoff Rasmussen and more recently Taggart from Eureka

And lest we forget the quirky time traveler allgedly from the future but really from the past on TNG.

Lest we forget the guy he already named? Hand in your Trekkie ID, please, Tom.

 

[DarthTom]

^^^I was thinking that Manchester and Bressler were kidding themselves about the aliens not knowing about them. That the Charleston compound was just one of the reservations the overlord asked Tom about, except that they just let the humans imagine they were undetected. Surely forging parties were both detectable and necessary.

You have to either assume that the aliens and/or the writers are idiots because they cannot find human life signs [large numbers of them in the underground mall] with their advanced tech

or

As you say they have another agenda with the small groups of humans left alive.

I had a thought. The tall fish aliens are well aware of the skitter rebellion and are using both the humans and the skitters to crush the rebellion by permitting them to find each other.

 

[DarthTom]

Lest we forget the guy he already named? Hand in your Trekkie ID, please, Tom.

That is Rasmussen huh? Oh well. I forgot his name. Stopped memorizing lines and minor character names out of TNG when I turned 25.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I liked thenway they gave Dr. Manchester a legitimate point of view. Of course it would be disturbing to learn that Tom had a harnessed kid whose paling around with skitters and knows about Charleston, an alien chip in his eye and possibly more, and a commanding officer who is probably infected with something sinister. When he met with Tom in his office, that would have been the time for Tom to tell him everything.

Manchester may still turn out to be right to be suspicious of the 2nd Mass. The way it all panned out, it just looked like Manchester was a professor in over his head with politics, which he isnt as good at as he probably would like to believe. He survived to that point because the local military guy still respected the idea of civilian leadership. He wanted the situation to be normal, just like everyone else. The false promise of normalcy was the only appeal Manchester ever had, and it was easily upset by the introduction of new people with different ideas.

 

[Star Wolf]

Loved seeing Terry O'Quinn, but didn't really buy his character and the way people, including the military, just did what he said. I think a coup would've come a whole lot sooner--long before the Second Mass. showed up. Still, an entertaining episode.

Add me to that list as well. I just don't think the military would fall in line under a professor's leadership.

You mean like Tom Mason, The Professor, being Second in Command of the Second Mass and being in charge in Weaver's absence and incapacitation?

It worked on BSG because a survivor in the line of succession, the Secretary of Education was sworn in. Here I see a guy still wearing a necktie. But then in season one I saw Colonel Porter as a guy with an army jacket on. It even had US ARMY on the wrong side of his "uniform".

 

[Sindatur]

^^^I was thinking that Manchester and Bressler were kidding themselves about the aliens not knowing about them. That the Charleston compound was just one of the reservations the overlord asked Tom about, except that they just let the humans imagine they were undetected. Surely forging parties were both detectable and necessary.

You have to either assume that the aliens and/or the writers are idiots because they cannot find human life signs [large numbers of them in the underground mall] with their advanced tech

or

As you say they have another agenda with the small groups of humans left alive.

I had a thought. The tall fish aliens are well aware of the skitter rebellion and are using both the humans and the skitters to crush the rebellion by permitting them to find each other.

A couple episodes back, we learned the Fish Heads run around the galaxy "fixing" Civilizations that have gone astray. I don't think the Fish Heads ever intended to wipe out the entire population, even without that information about their motivation, they'd still want a population capable of producing children to be harnessed for their labor force.

So, yea, their goal isn't wiping everyone out, just culling them down to a manageable level. If they're fat, dumb, and happy living in a location, and the Aliens know where they are, why not let them alone and think of it as a reservation, especially, if they might hook up with the Skitter Rebellion, because, wiping the Skitter Rebellion out, is probably on the agenda.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Hey, I guess if we can buy the Colonials and Roslin...

Lest we forget the guy he already named? Hand in your Trekkie ID, please, Tom.

That is Rasmussen huh? Oh well. I forgot his name. Stopped memorizing lines and minor character names out of TNG when I turned 25.

You're posting on TrekBBS, you can't get away with playing that card.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Acouple episodes back, we learned the Fish Heads run around the galaxy "fixing" Civilizations that have gone astray.

if we can take an obvious self justification like that at face value, that is.

 

[Sindatur]

Acouple episodes back, we learned the Fish Heads run around the galaxy "fixing" Civilizations that have gone astray.

if we can take an obvious self justification like that at face value, that is.

Oh, certainly, maybe not the whole truth, and "fixing" is certainly defined differently by them, then us, but, I believe it to be part of the truth (I actually, kinda believe it's closer to "Oh, these guys may become a technological threat to us within 50 - 100 years, better knock them back to the Stone Age, so we don't have to deal with them landing on our front lawn)

 

[DarthTom]

if we can take an obvious self justification like that at face value, that is.

I certainly hope the writers have something more complicated in mind than,

"we're taking the humans out because they're destroying ecology of the planet."

Been there done that much better on the big screen with: The Day the Earth Stood Still

or

"were taking the humans out because they may pose a threat to us sometime in the future"

Been there done that recently with: Prometheus

or worst of all

"were taking the humans out because they have liquid water on the planet and we need it."

 

[sojourner]

"were taking the humans out because they may pose a threat to us sometime in the future"

Been there done that recently with: Prometheus

But this really is the most valid reason for aliens to attack us. in reality.

And even it's a stretch unless the aliens think really long term.

 

[arch101]

So much to consider...and a YEAR to consider it all *sigh*

 

[Sindatur]

So much to consider...and a YEAR to consider it all *sigh*

Actually, we still have one more episode next week.
With a 10 Episode Season, next week's episode should have a major revelation or Game changer that "Knocks over all the chairs" (Cribbed quoted part from JMS describing B5 Season Finale(s?)