Falling Skies - Season 2- discussion/Spoilers

[arch101]

The sign, for me, that a show is pretty good is if I want more at the end of the hour and if the previews REALLY make me want more. So far, this show is succeeding.
I think there's more here than meets the eye. The 2nd Mass is being studied. The Fishheads could probably wipe them out in a minute but there's something they want to learn. With all communications down, how does Weaver's group KNOW that 90% of humanity is wiped out. Heresay? There might be larger "human problems" elsewhere that the 2nd Mass isn't aware of. Also, the human survivors are doing a pretty good job (it seems) of revealing Skitter malcontents.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The stuff with Karen is too obvious but overall, the writing continues to be much more gripping than last year. They're doing the Goauld thing better than SG1 ever did. The conflict between the brothers felt powerful and sadly real. I hope Karen doesnt end up dead, she's a victim, too. Another good sign that I'm emotionally invested in the story, that I'm even worrying about that.

 

[sojourner]

Nobody else thought Tom and Ben's reaction to Karen wasn't just the least bit hypocritical? "Let's lock her up and watch her, she's not to be trusted" coming from Razorback Boy and Abduction Dad??? Someone should have called the 2 of them out on that.

 

[stj]

They seem to be retconning Ben's strength etc. Jumping off a roof? And if Ben is to be so controlled by the glowy spikes, the previous plot doesn't make a lot of sense.

Karen was so obviously a plant I toyed with thinking Tom was playing along to see if she was a gift from Red Eye. If he was merely trying to figure out what the aliens wanted, he was going about it in a very ham-fisted way.

They all seem to be looking treating Charleston as a gift horse, even though Tom was practically told otherwise.

The insistence on action and scenes is stressing the setting and plotting. If you listen you can hear rumblings down below.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I've seen him jump off a roof before.

Besides, his reaction to karen lifting up that bed, hints that he's been hiding how strong he is to seem like less of a freak.

I love the Yoko Factor.

I still think that Ben was giving her slack, but he couldn't confirm shit with leadership becuase his dad is an idiot when it comes to his children.

 

[Sindatur]

So...was Weaver turned into a Goa'Uld Queen with that Harness bait/sting?

Ben, nah, I'm not concerned with any retcons, he's be shown to be extraordinary, since he returned (or at least all season), and the glowing spikes and Red Eye, nah, nothing surprises me there, with what he does or his capabilities. I think Ben's a Good guy, and history will prove Tom was very wrong in not accepting Red-Eye's alliance. Karen may be on red-Eye's side, but, she smells like a Fish heads Conspiracy/plant to me, IMHO.

Oh, and previews show us (Spoilers if you avoid Previews)

Spoiler: Previews

Replicators are coming next week. Ya know, normally, I might bitch about the cribbing, but, I'm totally fine with them cribbing off Stargate without the gate, hopefully, at some point, we'll see some outerspace

End Previews spoilers

 

[sojourner]

^you know if you use the go advanced button then you can access the spoilers function.

Spoiler: click me

See!

 

[FreezeC77]

The thing I don't get about this whole Charleston deal is umm. Why the heck would the survivors group up in one location? Just to make it easier for the aliens to come and kill them again?

Isn't that why the resistance groups broke up into even smaller units in the first few episodes of the series? Because the aliens were able to detect larger concentrations of people more easily?

Granted they have slightly better odds against the aliens now than when the series started because the armor piercing rounds... but I don't see why grouping up in a city would be a smart idea.

I liked Karen's return, but I don't really think Ben bought into her act. He knows how he actually is and what the ramifications of being harnessed did to him. He's not going to believe someone who was harnessed *WAY* longer than he was is somehow more normal than he is. I think he's going along with her as a spy. If he's not then he's a moron, which is also possible lol.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The spikes on his harness are like little boners

Dozens of glowing little boners.

Karen turned him on.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Ben was already talking about leaving, so it's not surprising that Karen was the straw that broke the camel's back. She did seem to be playing him pretty well, but he may be using her to try to infiltrate or something. She may be working for Red Eye, but if that was the case she probably would have just said so.

 

[backstept]

she's gotta be working for the head honcho fish head
it's like this: fish heads know of Redeye's resistance, they know Ben was close to Redeye
they send Karen to persuade Ben to rat out Redeye so they can stop the skitter resistance

I think Ben is smart enough to figure it out, Hal's nickname for him was 'Math Geek' remember?
I think Ben will strike a blow to the fish heads, and eventually redeem himself to Hal and Tom because that's what this show is like
there's always the warm fuzzies

 

[Sindatur]

she's gotta be working for the head honcho fish head
it's like this: fish heads know of Redeye's resistance, they know Ben was close to Redeye
they send Karen to persuade Ben to rat out Redeye so they can stop the skitter resistance

I think Ben is smart enough to figure it out, Hal's nickname for him was 'Math Geek' remember?
I think Ben will strike a blow to the fish heads, and eventually redeem himself to Hal and Tom because that's what this show is like
there's always the warm fuzzies

That's what I'm thinking. The twist would be if she really has turned and is working for Redeye

 

[stj]

Ben playing along doesn't really fit the glowy spikes/instant love scenario. Adds strife between brothers over a girl, ooh, how much drama that ends to the possible end of humanity!

If Tom thought Karen was a plant, he should have killed/expelled her or played along to suck her in and take her off guard. Bitching at her was just emo, fake conflict for the sake of noise.

 

[137th Gebirg]

The spikes on his harness are like little boners

Dozens of glowing little boners.

Karen turned him on.

So you're saying that they're Cylons, then?

 

[Star Wolf]

The spikes on his harness are like little boners

Dozens of glowing little boners.

Karen turned him on.

So you're saying that they're Cylons, then?

They do copy, don't they. When Karen hugged Tom in the ship her harness did glow like Number 6's spine

 

[Rhaven]

she's gotta be working for the head honcho fish head
it's like this: fish heads know of Redeye's resistance, they know Ben was close to Redeye
they send Karen to persuade Ben to rat out Redeye so they can stop the skitter resistance

I think Ben is smart enough to figure it out, Hal's nickname for him was 'Math Geek' remember?
I think Ben will strike a blow to the fish heads, and eventually redeem himself to Hal and Tom because that's what this show is like
there's always the warm fuzzies

That's what I'm thinking. The twist would be if she really has turned and is working for Redeye

The more I think about it, the more I agree as well.

One thing that bothers me though. The first episode this season showed Tom getting released with a bunch of other human resistance leaders in a field. All the others were killed except for him. Why just him? Any thoughts on that one?

 

[Sindatur]

she's gotta be working for the head honcho fish head
it's like this: fish heads know of Redeye's resistance, they know Ben was close to Redeye
they send Karen to persuade Ben to rat out Redeye so they can stop the skitter resistance

I think Ben is smart enough to figure it out, Hal's nickname for him was 'Math Geek' remember?
I think Ben will strike a blow to the fish heads, and eventually redeem himself to Hal and Tom because that's what this show is like
there's always the warm fuzzies

That's what I'm thinking. The twist would be if she really has turned and is working for Redeye

The more I think about it, the more I agree as well.

One thing that bothers me though. The first episode this season showed Tom getting released with a bunch of other human resistance leaders in a field. All the others were killed except for him. Why just him? Any thoughts on that one?

Psychological warfare, same thing they did to him season gunning down all those folks in front of him. They apparently don't want to kill everyone, just enough to keep them controllable, because people are a resource, just as much as the scrap metal they recycle. They want him to spread the word of how unconquerable the Skinnies are, and lead them to the Reservation, where they can be controlled, and/or culled at will.

I'm very curious what exactly was happening to Weaver. What would've happened, had the "virus" been allowed to run it's course? Would he have become an incubator for fresh Goa'uld harnesses? What's the difference between the scratch on his leg and actually attaching to the children's backs? And why is it only children they want to harness? Karen's actress is 25, and I believe Hal is supposed to be about a 20 year old character, so, Karen is probably about the oldest person we've seen get harnessed

 

[Tom]

Red Eye had them all shot and wanted to keep Tom alive to help him later on.

 

[Rhaven]

That's what I'm thinking. The twist would be if she really has turned and is working for Redeye

The more I think about it, the more I agree as well.

One thing that bothers me though. The first episode this season showed Tom getting released with a bunch of other human resistance leaders in a field. All the others were killed except for him. Why just him? Any thoughts on that one?

Psychological warfare, same thing they did to him season gunning down all those folks in front of him. They apparently don't want to kill everyone, just enough to keep them controllable, because people are a resource, just as much as the scrap metal they recycle. They want him to spread the word of how unconquerable the Skinnies are, and lead them to the Reservation, where they can be controlled, and/or culled at will.

That makes sense, people as a resourse. Especially the children.

I'm very curious what exactly was happening to Weaver. What would've happened, had the "virus" been allowed to run it's course? Would he have become an incubator for fresh Goa'uld harnesses?

There's an idea.

What's the difference between the scratch on his leg and actually attaching to the children's backs?
And why is it only children they want to harness?

I think the harnesses are used on the children as their minds are more easily taken over. They also have more energy usually than adults, therefore work longer. It also take less food to keep them going.

Karen's actress is 25, and I believe Hal is supposed to be about a 20 year old character, so, Karen is probably about the oldest person we've seen get harnessed

I think she's suppose to be portraying a 20 somethingish character, but hey..I could be wrong.

 

[Sindatur]

Yea, that's what I was thinking on Karen, somewhere between 18-21 when she was harnessed. Though, at the age of 48, I certainly see that as a kid, technically, she wouldn't be a kid any longer, so I wonder what their age/maturity criteria actually is