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Falling Skies 1.3 "Grace" Discussion/comment **SPOILERS**

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Have you ever seen the 1960s John Wayne movie "The Searchers"?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049730/

A lot of people miss the fact that some of John Wayne's movies were brutal deconstructions of the Western genre. The Searchers just happens to be one of the most brutal. It's basically John Ford's essay on why racism is bad.

You're not supposed to agree with Ethan at all. That's the point. He's a bitter hate-filled violent asshole. You're supposed to see how he's a pathetic wretch who has absolutely no life outside of perpetuating an ultimately pointless cycle of blind revenge.


Also, I don't think he killed the kid. The harness had been removed successfully earlier and it was only on for a few minutes this time. That isn't enough time to develop a dangerous drug dependency.
 
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I saw the film over ten years ago, I was drunk, and I didn't want to see it. A friend had to watch it for class, asked for company. She was cute... But yes in retrospect, in the post above even I finally came to that realization too: "racism bad".(Very Ahab or Janeway.)

Now I'm sure I understood Trainspotting.

Catshit can kill you as easily as a teaspoon of heroin if it's a little too pure.

Although, you can just make out Rick still sleeping on a stretcher when Dai and tom are talking well after Mike had his crazy person episode.

Well that deballs most of the episode.
 
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Also, I don't think he killed the kid. The harness had been removed successfully earlier and it was only on for a few minutes this time. That isn't enough time to develop a dangerous drug dependency.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they showed him alive in the preview for tonight's episode.
 
If the characters engage in more or less random actions, all results from those actions will also be more or less random. If the script then acts as divine intervention, the interest of the characters will diminish because they aren't actually doing anything, stuff just happens. If the characters aren't truly agents, then only their personal charm will attract viewers (which we can already tell is going to just mean people who like Noah Wyle and/or Colin Cunningham.)

In the long run, the plotting must address the problems inherent in why some alien race would conduct such a nutty invasion when there is no conceivable benefit (or alternatively, if the invaders are primitive enough they could benefit, how can they even travel between stars.) If it doesn't, there's just us vs. them, in a necessarily implausible scenario, which brings us back again, do we invest in these characters enough to enjoy seeing the script hand them a victory? (And the answer is still, only if you like Noah Wyle and/or Colin Cunningham.)

If the plotting is adroit enough, the characters would reasonably make different choices about what to do, which is the essence of drama. The high stakes (survival of humanity itself) would ramp up the tension.

If the plotting fails to give a deeper kind of faux-realism, where the space invasion made sense, they would just be villains for the sake of being bad. The conflict between them and us would not really be much more meaningful than a match between two boxers, except one's really ugly and no one likes ugly. You could go the comedy route like SG-1, except that it's pretty obvious these guys aren't funny.

And there aren't even any Daniel Jackson characters who've got a very different perspective and values. Superficially, Pope is different but Pope is a total cartoon. Cartoons don't fit in such solemn shows as Falling Skies.
 
In the long run, the plotting must address the problems inherent in why some alien race would conduct such a nutty invasion when there is no conceivable benefit (or alternatively, if the invaders are primitive enough they could benefit, how can they even travel between stars.) If it doesn't, there's just us vs. them, in a necessarily implausible scenario, which brings us back again, do we invest in these characters enough to enjoy seeing the script hand them a victory? (And the answer is still, only if you like Noah Wyle and/or Colin Cunningham.)

It's doable. Ambitious aliens send a generation ship or a sleeper ship to a nearby star where they detect the potential for life. When the colonists arrive they find the planet already populated by humans and really have no clue what to do about it so they just nuke it from orbit. The harnesses are tools to used to train and domesticate animals where they come from and they essentially see humans the way we see wolves, dangerous but with potential. To paraphrase our friends the Daleks, it wasn't a war it was pest control.
 
45 minutes into this episode...

So they've left their only captured SKITTER ever alone and unguarded. And they've left in the same room as the only child they've ever rescued...

This show is dumb as fuck. V looks genius compared to this.

At least I was entertained by V. And the V's themselves were interesting. Falling Skies every human character is dull and boring or it's some stupid family drama that I don't care about. In fact, I would call this show a family drama before I would call it sci-fi.


To its credit, there have been some interesting things about the skitters and the invasion, but it's such little content and the rest of the show is so horrible.... I really hope the next 15 minutes are better. I planned to watch this episode and tonights (1.4) back to back, but I'm about to pull the plug.
 
Ugh.... deleted future recordings. Still have 1.4 on the dvr so maybe I'll watch it and see if it's worth trying to continue.
 
Ambitious aliens send a generation ship or a sleeper ship to a nearby star where they detect the potential for life. When the colonists arrive they find the planet already populated by humans and really have no clue what to do about it so they just nuke it from orbit. The harnesses are tools to used to train and domesticate animals where they come from and they essentially see humans the way we see wolves, dangerous but with potential. To paraphrase our friends the Daleks, it wasn't a war it was pest control.

1.) You don't nuke your own real estate. You don't even mess it up that much with rocks thrown down from orbit, which would look exactly like nukes.

2.) If you have limited resources in a generation or sleeper sheep, you do not thoughtlessly attack a whole planet of resources.

3.) If you do go ahead and attack said planet (because you're sure there's no alternative,) you still don't spread out all over the place, you concentrate your limited resources on one limited area.

4.) And in any case, you don't even go anyplace without a backup plan in case there's a problem, like, the supposed new home had inhabitants. (And if they were too dumb to imagine that, how ever did they manage to build a generation or sleeper ship?)
 
Falling Skies doesn't make V any less of a failure and disappointment.

No it doesn't. But since they both have a somewhat similar premise, alien invasion in the present day/time, it leads to comparison.
What's similar about the premises? V was about an Alien visitation infiltrating into our society and taking over through Political manipulation. Falling Skies is about the Aftermath of an actual Invasion involving War and devestation and 90% of the Earth's population already dead.

The only commonality involved is that they both take place on Earth and both have aliens, but, the premises are nothing alike
 
What's similar about the premises? V was about an Alien visitation infiltrating into our society and taking over through Political manipulation. Falling Skies is about the Aftermath of an actual Invasion involving War and devestation and 90% of the Earth's population already dead.

The only commonality involved is that they both take place on Earth and both have aliens, but, the premises are nothing alike

Aliens, Invasion, Modern Day Earth, Family Drama and ANGST.

Your description of V is not accurate. They weren't taking over through political manipulation lol, they were capturing people and killing them.

Yeah I guess they have nothing in common lol.
 
What's similar about the premises? V was about an Alien visitation infiltrating into our society and taking over through Political manipulation. Falling Skies is about the Aftermath of an actual Invasion involving War and devestation and 90% of the Earth's population already dead.

The only commonality involved is that they both take place on Earth and both have aliens, but, the premises are nothing alike

Aliens, Invasion, Modern Day Earth, Family Drama and ANGST.

Your description of V is not accurate. They weren't taking over through political manipulation lol, they were capturing people and killing them.

Yeah I guess they have nothing in common lol.
The capturing and killing was for the purposes of learning how to extract souls, or torturing individuals. Mostly they infiltrated, they did not bomb Earth back into the Stone age, and it was during the invasion, while Falling Skies is post Invasion after killing off 90% of the population, V didn't have any wholesale destruction or Massive killing, it was sugical pinpoint killings.
 
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