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The conversation in the briefing room... the idea laid out of another universe occupying the same space at the same time, as aspect not dwelled on in other stories... The matter anti-matter annihilation idea had just enough of a grain of truth to it to get my dark imagination going. A very formative experience.
Except it made no damn sense, because "The Naked Time" had already established that the ship used matter-antimatter annihilation as its power source and did not destroy the entire universe by doing so. And the chain of logical leaps they used to get from "one positive, the other negative" to "annihilation of everything that exists" was incoherent -- there was no basis for taking it that far. It's a terribly written scene.
Not once in 50 years of viewing have I thought that there was any conflict here... the matter anti-matter engines, used every day to power the ship, are plain old regular matter/anti-matter annihilation, reactions amongst basic individual particles. Lazarus is, on the other hand, one really big-ass "particle", or two, rather. The extreme difference in scale is what makes the difference.
They cross a line they shouldn't cross, but the drama of the idea, based on at least a kernel of actual science of a kind that ordinarily prime time audiences are not usually expected to sit still for... should be undeniable.
I put this in the same camp as the first episode of Space:1999, which succeeds brilliantly as SF based drama, with a deeply flawed SF premise. People who throw out amazing pieces of work like that are going to have to be consistent about how they police Trek for scientific accuracy, and throw out perhaps half the episodes. That would be a huge case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Not once in 50 years of viewing have I thought that there was any conflict here... the matter anti-matter engines, used every day to power the ship, are plain old regular matter/anti-matter annihilation, reactions amongst basic individual particles. Lazarus is, on the other hand, one really big-ass "particle", or two, rather. The extreme difference in scale is what makes the difference.
That's not a matter of writing, but scientific accuracy. Yes, they're playing fast and loose with particle physics. The impact is, of course, diminished, once you find that out. They cross a line they shouldn't cross, but the drama of the idea, based on at least a kernel of actual science of a kind that ordinarily prime time audiences are not usually expected to sit still for... should be undeniable. I put this in the same camp as the first episode of Space:1999, which succeeds brilliantly as SF based drama, with a deeply flawed SF premise. People who throw out amazing pieces of work like that are going to have to be consistent about how they police Trek for scientific accuracy, and throw out perhaps half the episodes. That would be a huge case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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I will always remember the impact this had when I was nine, not a dumb kid, but one who was hungry for valid SF ideas with scale to them, that got the imagination going. I'm not going to throw it on the trash heap for flaws, but remember it for its impact.
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Yes, they're stretching it ridiculously by thinking of Lazarus as a unique, giant "particle" that can obliterate his opposite "particle", rather than being a mass of miniscule identical particles of matter and anti-matter that really aren't any different than those in their engines. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's no Barrier at the edge of the galaxy, either.
For people actually following the fictional tech of the show, it doesn't need to be pointed out that they have matter/anti-matter engines, and that dilithium is only one part of the process.
Really, they made quite a big deal out of it, so since we know the ship runs on matter/anti-matter annihilation, obviously the Lazarus version is a very different situation. It's not only one guy running into his opposite, there's the danger of two whole universes co-mingling. That's clearly a much bigger thing than the tiny amounts they use in propulsion.
Look, the very fact that Kirk already knows that "matter and anti-matter have a tendency to cancel each other out, violently" means that such a thing has been known to occur without the universe being destroyed, otherwise, how would he or anyone know that this mutual annihilation happens? Kirk knows because it's basic to his ship's operation.
The fact that OUR Lazarus was the crazy one...
I think the idea is that if you put some generic matter particle (of, say, bacon) into contact with some other generic antimatter particle (like straw), you'll get an explosive reaction strong enough to power a starship. But if you put some random particle of matter in contact with its exact on-and-only Doppelgänger particle from the antimatter universe, *that's" what caused the total annihilation of everything in both universes.
Again, if that were the case, then Kirk would've been instantly vaporized the moment he entered the antimatter universe -- and Lazarus-B would've blown up the Enterprise the instant he swapped places with Lazarus-A. The episode explicitly claimed that matter and antimatter would not react at all unless equivalent individual people came into contact. That's what's so incredibly stupid about it.
They don't say in words that smaller amounts of m and anti-m don't react at all. In fact, Kirk says they do. Lazaruses roaming freely in both universes implies no reaction.
KIRK: Outside? Yes, that would explain a lot. Another universe, perhaps in another dimension, occupying the same space at the same time.
SPOCK: The possible existence of a parallel universe has been scientifically conceded, Captain.
KIRK: All right. What would happen if another universe, say a minus universe, came into contact with a positive universe such as ours?
SPOCK: Two parallel universes. Project this. One positive, the other negative. Or, more specifically, one matter, the other antimatter.
KIRK: Do you know what you're saying? Matter and antimatter have a tendency to cancel each other out. violently.
SPOCK: Precisely. Under certain conditions, when two identical particles of matter and antimatter meet
KIRK: Like Lazarus. Identical. Like both Lazarus', only one is matter and the other antimatter. If they meet.
SPOCK: Annihilation, Jim. Total, complete, absolute annihilation.
KIRK: Of everything that exists, everywhere.
Science fiction is not science. Some of the best SF stories take wild leaps that go far beyond what we know, and in terms of science, they fall flat on their face, yet the situation set up can still be compelling and have value.
Again, that's exactly the problem. Any antimatter particle will annihilate with any matter equivalent. There should always be a reaction.
The problem with the chain of reasoning is that it's utterly incoherent. Here:
First off, the idea of the two universes being "positive" and "negative" comes out of nowhere. There's no logical connection between the idea of a parallel universe and a "minus universe." Kirk pulls that one completely out of thin air, yet it's subequently treated as fact.
Another logical leap. Even if the totally arbitrary suggestion of a "minus universe" were true, that doesn't automatically mean an antimatter universe. Antiparticles are just particles with a reversed charge. There are other possible reversals, like negative mass or mirror matter.
Again, this is not just a "tendency" or in "certain conditions." It always happens. Any quantity of antimatter will annihilate with matter if it comes into physical contact. That's why every other Trek episode dealing with antimatter stresses the importance of containment fields, why a breach of containment will destroy the ship. Any and all antimatter has to be kept tightly contained within magnetic fields to ensure it never touches any normal matter, because any physical contact means a guaranteed explosion. We saw this in "Obsession," in "That Which Survives," in "The Savage Curtain," in "One of Our Planets is Missing," and in every modern-Trek episode that ran the term "warp core breach" into the ground. Everywhere else in Trek, it is consistently a given that antimatter can never touch matter at all or instant kaboom. And that's the way it is in reality too. So TAF's insistence that an antimatter reaction will only occur in specific conditions contradicts the rest of the franchise as well as physical fact.
It's a complete logical leap to go from identical particles to identical people. That's more a poetic metaphor than a physically valid concept. People are made of particles. Every proton is identical to every other proton, no matter whose body it's in. Heck, if the reaction would only occur if two entire macroscopic objects were identical, then antimatter engines would be impossible, since if you mined the matter from a planet, you'd have to find an antimatter duplicate planet and mine it in the exact same spot to get the right fuel, and you'd have to make sure that only identical counterpart supplies interacted, and it's just so damn stupid and impossible. Especially when you consider that the episode implies such antimatter duplicates only exist in parallel universes, so how would you get there to mine them?
And this is the biggest, most absurd unsupported leap. How do you get from a single violent reaction to cosmic obliteration? This is not explained at all. It's not based in anything they've said at any point in the conversation. The only possible basis for it that I can think of is that the writer completely misunderstood what the word "annihilation" means in this context. (It just means that the reacting particles themselves are annihilated, i.e. transformed completely into energy. It doesn't mean everything ceases to exist.)
Imagine a crime drama where the detectives are investigating a crime. Based on a string of reasoning that they mostly pull out of thin air rather than basing it on any actual evidence, they somehow convince themselves that a man is going to murder his wife.
"Do you know what you're saying? Husbands and wives have a tendency to cancel each other out -- violently."
"Precisely. Under certain conditions, when two married people meet..."
"If they meet..."
"Genocide, Jim. Total, complete, absolute genocide."
"Of everyone who exists, everywhere."
Surely you can see the nonsense of equating a single homicide with the extinction of the entire species. It's just as stupid and incoherent to claim, based on absolutely nothing, that a single matter-antimatter reaction will destroy all reality. The whole conversation is based on a series of arbitrary speculations that Kirk and Spock pull out of thin air and then accept as gospel fact. That is terrible reasoning and terrible writing.
This isn't even about the science. As I just showed with the homicide example, the flaw is in the basic illogic that's used to justify the plot, having the characters just arbitrarily pull nonsensical speculations out of nowhere and yet somehow be absolutely right. As I said, it's uncannily like the preposterous deductive leaps Batman and Robin made in the '66 series, but those were intentionally ridiculous.
And it's about internal consistency. No, a fictional universe doesn't have to be realistic, but it does need to have a consistent set of rules. It can be a pure fantasy universe ruled by magic, but if you establish that, say, magic can't enslave minds under any circumstances, but you then do a story that's all about magic mind slaves, then that's bad writing. If you say that time travel is possible but history can never be changed, it's a flaw in the writing if you then do a story about history being changed. (Warehouse 13 was guilty of this.) And that's the problem here. It's not about the science, it's about the fundamental incoherence of the writing. The scientific idiocy is just a symptom of what a random, nonsensical mess the story is on every level. It's not compelling, it's just gibberish.
That seemed obvious to me the first time I saw it, 40-something years ago. And I ain't necessarily the sharpest knife in the drawer.I think the idea is that if you put some generic matter particle (of, say, bacon) into contact with some other generic antimatter particle (like straw), you'll get an explosive reaction strong enough to power a starship. But if you put some random particle of matter in contact with its exact on-and-only Doppelgänger particle from the antimatter universe, *that's" what caused the total annihilation of everything in both universes.
That's not a matter of writing, but scientific accuracy. Yes, they're playing fast and loose with particle physics. The impact is, of course, diminished, once you find that out. They cross a line they shouldn't cross, but the drama of the idea, based on at least a kernel of actual science of a kind that ordinarily prime time audiences are not usually expected to sit still for... should be undeniable. I put this in the same camp as the first episode of Space:1999, which succeeds brilliantly as SF based drama, with a deeply flawed SF premise. People who throw out amazing pieces of work like that are going to have to be consistent about how they police Trek for scientific accuracy, and throw out perhaps half the episodes. That would be a huge case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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