Explained: the death of Ianto Jones

[The Borgified Corpse]

I do wonder if Jack will go back to his normal ways now that he doesn't have a partner.

And other than a few brief flirtations on Doctor Who, it's been a long while since Jack has been much of a skirt chaser. Perhaps we could get some sort of bisexual love triangle in Season 4?

I get the sense that RTD is now really trying to distance Torchwood from its Doctor Who roots.

Much like lhow he distanced Doctor Who from its Doctor Who roots.

What IS this antipathy you have towards RTD & Christopher Eccleston? I can understand not liking them but you speak about them as if everything they did was just totally unrecognizable as Doctor Who. I have no idea where that's coming from or what you're talking about. What ARE you talking about?

COE was such a different and dark story that firmly established Torchwood on it's own two feet that I seriously doubt that we would get any more crossovers. I know John would probably jump at the chance to go back to DW if he was asked though.

So would I. I'm always up for more crossovers, even between shows that weren't previously related.

 

[Bones2]

Much like lhow he distanced Doctor Who from its Doctor Who roots.

What IS this antipathy you have towards RTD & Christopher Eccleston? I can understand not liking them but you speak about them as if everything they did was just totally unrecognizable as Doctor Who. I have no idea where that's coming from or what you're talking about. What ARE you talking about?

RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera romance between a nasty gormless northerner and a thick chav. Eccleston had no qualities I'd associate with the Doctor, and the show was pretty lacking as well.

 

[Pindar]

Torchwood's a different show. It's also shit.

Insightful and clever.

RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera romance between a nasty gormless northerner and a thick chav. Eccleston had no qualities I'd associate with the Doctor, and the show was pretty lacking as well.

Yes Northerners are gormless lolz and what are those chavs like eh

 

[Starkers]

Bones would probably like to add that he doesn't hate Northeners or chavs, in fact some of his best friends are poor and from above the Watford Gap...

 

[starsuperion]

The point of "Children of Earth" was to make things as dark & difficult as possible. (That's also why the Doctor didn't show up. He doesn't fit with the oppressively dark tone of "Children of Earth.")

I disagree, I think that the "End of Time" was pretty dark and Oppressive in tone, and there have been other dire circumstances that fit as well, "midnight" comes to mind..
I think that the Doctor could have fit quite well into that episode run..

Only, I believe the point of it was that Jack and his team were on their own handling the threat..the Doctor is not always there.. and in some cases, the aliens who threaten the Doctor are problems on a larger scale, like Journey's end..Planets being stolen, etc..

Though there is an implied indication that the doctor knew of Jack's plight.. afterall, he ends up hooking jack up with a date on some far off alien space station, in a bar..which seemed as if the Doctor knew what had happened to Jack, hence the solemn attitude, or that could have been just because the doctor knew he was nearing the end of his tenure, and about to regenerate.. either way, he knew where to look for Jack, which seems to me, if he didn't know about the events of "Children of the Earth" would make it a bit difficult to find Jack.. I mean in all of the universe, in all of reality, in the galaxy he finds Jack with little time to spare before he regenerates??

The Doctor had to know what happened on Earth..

 

[Guartho]

I haven't seen the fourth season of Dr. Who yet, but could it be that the TARDIS merely scanned for Jack's wrist-thingy?

 

[Bones2]

Torchwood's a different show. It's also shit.

Insightful and clever.

RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera romance between a nasty gormless northerner and a thick chav. Eccleston had no qualities I'd associate with the Doctor, and the show was pretty lacking as well.

Yes Northerners are gormless lolz and what are those chavs like eh

I didn't say all northerners are gormless and nasty, just that one.

 

[Sci]

"I didn't say all black people are n-worders, just that one!"

 

[DimesDan]

"I didn't say all black people are n-worders, just that one!"

nice?

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Much like lhow he distanced Doctor Who from its Doctor Who roots.

What IS this antipathy you have towards RTD & Christopher Eccleston? I can understand not liking them but you speak about them as if everything they did was just totally unrecognizable as Doctor Who. I have no idea where that's coming from or what you're talking about. What ARE you talking about?

RTD turned Doctor Who into a soap opera romance between a nasty gormless northerner and a thick chav. Eccleston had no qualities I'd associate with the Doctor, and the show was pretty lacking as well.

Which specific Doctor qualities were you looking for that Eccleston didn't have?

I do agree to a certain extent about the romance between the Doctor & Rose. That got a little too emo, IMO. But then, as bad as that was with Eccleston in Season 1, it was far worse with Tennant in Season 2.

Though there is an implied indication that the doctor knew of Jack's plight.. afterall, he ends up hooking jack up with a date on some far off alien space station, in a bar..which seemed as if the Doctor knew what had happened to Jack, hence the solemn attitude, or that could have been just because the doctor knew he was nearing the end of his tenure, and about to regenerate.. either way, he knew where to look for Jack, which seems to me, if he didn't know about the events of "Children of the Earth" would make it a bit difficult to find Jack.. I mean in all of the universe, in all of reality, in the galaxy he finds Jack with little time to spare before he regenerates??

The Doctor had to know what happened on Earth..

Yeah, but I get the impression that the Doctor didn't know about the "Children of Earth" incident until after it happened. As for how he found Jack, maybe he just checked Jack's intergalactic Facebook page? "Status update: Lost boyfriend. Killed grandson. Plan to keep drinking until the universe ends."

 

[Sci]

Yeah, but I get the impression that the Doctor didn't know about the "Children of Earth" incident until after it happened.

I figured it was either that, or the Doctor knew that the 4-5-6 Crisis was coming but couldn't do anything because it was a fixed point in time. And, of course, after trying to fight a fixed point in "The Waters of Mars," he would by that point have been trying to run away from any fixed points he knew of.

As for how he found Jack, maybe he just checked Jack's intergalactic Facebook page? "Status update: Lost boyfriend. Killed grandson. Plan to keep drinking until the universe ends."

One of the things I thought was interesting was that the Doctor found five of his companions at key moments in their lives when they needed help -- Mickey and Martha right before a Sontaran tried to kill them, Luke and Sarah Jane right before Luke would have died in a car crash, Jack after having his life ruined from top to bottom. It's almost as though the Doctor, somewhere along the line, had known in advance the dates on which they would die if he did not intervene and had always planned to show up then and save them.

I suspect that was at least one of the reasons that Ten was upset at having to regenerate -- he'd meant to be the ones to save his friends, on his own terms, not some future incarnation.

 

[The]

As for how he found Jack, maybe he just checked Jack's intergalactic Facebook page? "Status update: Lost boyfriend. Killed grandson. Plan to keep drinking until the universe ends."

 

[The]

Oh and Bones? The three greatest Doctors to have ever hit our screen have been Tom Baker, Matt Smith, and Christopher Eccleston... (ixnay on the esture-gay)

 

[Starkers]

Oh and Bones? The three greatest Doctors to have ever hit our screen have been Tom Baker, Matt Smith, and Christopher Eccleston... (ixnay on the esture-gay)

Yes but if Tom bloody Baker comes round my house and kicks my telly one more time....

cue tumbleweeds...

Anyway clearly it's Troughton, Davison, Smith

 

[The]

I know, I felt bad leaving out Troughton. But, a point had to be made...

 

[Starkers]

a line had to be drawn...this far and no further!

 

[Joy]

Nah, it's Colin Baker, David Tennant, and Matt Smith... (not in that order)

LOL

 

[Bones2]

Bones would probably like to add that he doesn't hate Northeners or chavs, in fact some of his best friends are poor and from above the Watford Gap...

Can you not help yourself? With only the slightest perceivable provocation, you look for an excuse to chuck a label such as racist/homophobe/general bigot at me. Time and again. I can see you feel a need to do this because you can't cope with the idea someone might disagree with you on something like gratuitous sex references in a family show for non-prejudicial reasons, but keep it in your head. Never in my time here have I directed any insult or personal abuse toward you, and it'd be nice if you could attempt the same courtesy.

"I didn't say all black people are n-worders, just that one!"

Execrable. Are you really trying to equate my calling a fictional character a gormless northerner with the use of probably the most offensive word in the English language - one that has a history of oppression of an entire race? It's the same kind of lazy labelling of someone you disagree with. It's not offensive to refer to the Ninth Doctor as northern, because he's very much intended to be northern and played as such. Show him to anyone from England and the first thing most of them will say is "northern". It's why that rubbish joke about planets having a north is in Rose; he's strongly northern. And being so clearly regional is at odds with the Doctor as portrayed before; Sylvester McCoy is Scottish, but he didn't play the Doctor with a kilt and bagpipes, which is pretty much the equivalent of what Eccleston did with his leather jacket. Most people from the north of England aren't that strongly nothern either; he's very much a stereotype. Of course, his being northern isn't itself the reason I dislike the Ninth Doctor, but as I said, having a strongly regional identity is (in my view at least) at odds with the character of the Doctor. You're welcome to disagree, but equating that with something as racist as using the n-word about a black person is fallacious and extremely offensive.

Oh and Bones? The three greatest Doctors to have ever hit our screen have been Tom Baker, Matt Smith, and Christopher Eccleston... (ixnay on the esture-gay)

That's your view, and you're welcome to it. But why say it in this topic? And why direct this at me? Oh, I see. You've brought along your own emoticon. Giving middle fingers. You're trying to be antagonistic. Childishly. I suppose a good-natured lively debate about the relative strengths and weaknesses of the Doctors would be out of the question. Such discussion is becoming a lost art around here now that people have discovered it's much easier to just be nasty and unpleasant to someone they disagree with.

 

[Neroon]

Chill already, everyone! Ye gods, this forum used to be the best behaved on the board but anymore it's turning into a playground tussle over irrelevant matters and sniping against perceived offenses. There is far too much finger pointing and baiting and crap that just plain doe snot belong here. Please, let's do each of us a favor and grow up, thicken that skin and tone down the rhetoric to be replaced by a little more decency towards each other. The conversation has drifted far away from the original topic, which often times is not a bad thing.... but it is in this case. How about we attempt to get back on topic or at least away from the pettiness.

ETA: The ... please do not post such emoticons again. That's why I removed the one I did from your post and those which quoted it.

 

[The]

Right, didn't realize it was offensive. Thought it was funny. Won't do it again...