There are people who think an audience will show up to watch Legacy.And they wish to develop (another) series around this man.
People have all sorts of daft notions.
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People have all sorts of daft notions.
I'd watch both.
Mind you, I wanted a Picard that actually followed up on Season 1's worldbuilding.
As a Star Trek fan I probably would watch Legacy out of a sense of obligation, but that's all it would be, obligation. United would at least be offering something new for the franchise and because of that I would watch it out of genuine interest.
I'd watch either of them, certainly, but yeah, I agree that the United one sounds more interesting to me.
United reeks too much of Star Wars (a franchise where the villains are more interesting than the heroes).
Assuming it's set during the Romulan War, all the pew-pew and the space battles would be happening on the Romulan side. The heroes would be the diplomats trying to negotiate a ceasefire (which has all the appeal of watching paint dry).
Assuming it's set during the Romulan War, all the pew-pew and the space battles would be happening on the Romulan side. The heroes would be the diplomats trying to negotiate a ceasefire (which has all the appeal of watching paint dry).
I see nothing of Star Wars in the proposal at all. And this would be decades after the Romulan War.
Where's the pew-pew? Where's the action and the space battles?
United would have people running around and talking to each other. Aaron Sorkin and his flair for rapid-fire dialogue might be able to pull it off, but I guarantee you Mike Sussman can't.
And people thought Star Trek: Picard was too cerebral.
And all of this prejudgment without having seen or read a single plot synopsis. And you speak as if Aaron Sorkin is the only person who has ever made political intrigue interesting.
And you're the one that keeps bringing up the "pew pew" of it all. That said, the scope of the premise as presented by Mike Sussman is wide enough to include space-based starship "pew pew" stories.
And let's be honest. If there is anything moving on the United front (heh) it's because Mike Sussman is out there (successfully) raising public awareness and interest in the project and the studio noticed.
Meanwhile, Terry Matallis didn't hesitate to jump ship to Marvel. And that's not shade on him. Work is work and I'm looking forward to Visionquest, but he's clearly moved on.
And you're the one that keeps bringing up the "pew pew" of it all. That said, the scope of the premise as presented by Mike Sussman is wide enough to include space-based starship "pew pew" stories.
And let's be honest. If there is anything moving on the United front (heh) it's because Mike Sussman is out there (successfully) raising public awareness and interest in the project and the studio noticed.
Meanwhile, Terry Matallis didn't hesitate to jump ship to Marvel. And that's not shade on him. Work is work and I'm looking forward to Visionquest, but he's clearly moved on.
Where's the pew-pew? Where's the action and the space battles?
United would have people running around and talking to each other. Aaron Sorkin and his flair for rapid-fire dialogue might be able to pull it off, but I guarantee you Mike Sussman can't.
And people thought Star Trek: Picard was too cerebral.
I mean is it West Wing in Star Trek or is it Designated Survivor with Scott Bakula having their James Bond or whoever doing action scenes.
But I watch the Diplomat--and I admit that's because Kerri Russel is my crush since teenage years.
Is it Tom Clancy or Aaron Sorkin?
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At the time (2023), there wasn't anything going on with Trek (Strange New Worlds was still in S2).
I don't blame the man for wanting to put food on the table and to keep a roof over his head (Akiva Goldsman has deals at both Paramount and Warner Bros.).
I don't see it as "jumping ship".
Bakula is the President, we know, but that doesn't mean he's the entire cast. 10 Episodes of diplomacy with a couple of, "President taken hostage by Klingons" is a lot easier than a 22 episode one. You might even do the Disco thing of one crisis per season.
Babylon Five also was about someone who was ruler of an effective country.
Babylon Five also was about someone who was ruler of an effective country.
Tom Clancy ... That's a blast from the past.
Cue fans screaming, "President Archer is being protected by nitwits!"
Again, I didn't intend it as shade, although with as much shade as Matallis gets around here, I admit it might be easy to mistake it for as such. My point was that his creative energies are focused elsewhere while Sussman is (seemingly) riding a wave of public interest.
I mean, who knows? If Sussman's meeting at Paramount did have to do with United, he could have pointed out this very message board thread to the execs and said, "Look, there's interest! Except for that one person who wants a 7 of 9 show."
Archer would be a bit player in his (ostensibly) own show.
All the action scenes would be done by the younger actors in the cast. It would be Picard all over again (minus Sir Patrick Stewart's star power).
Speaking of Sir Patrick, Paramount had to carry him over the finish line to complete Picard. I doubt they would want to go through it again with an aging Scott Bakula.
All the action scenes would be done by the younger actors in the cast. It would be Picard all over again (minus Sir Patrick Stewart's star power).
Speaking of Sir Patrick, Paramount had to carry him over the finish line to complete Picard. I doubt they would want to go through it again with an aging Scott Bakula.
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Y'know, I think he would make an amazing addition to the writing staff of this project if it ever got off the ground!
I miss West Wing...
All things are possible (Trek got J.J. Abrams, Michelle Yeoh, and Jamie Lee Curtis).
I really hope we get more talking than fighting in our future Star Trek.
But yes, Legacy would be much better than a ship show with no legacy.
Scott Bakula is almost 15 years younger than Patrick Stewart, so I doubt that would be an issue. Besides, who cares if Bakula isn't the action lead? And, of course, the show would be in ensemble. Bakula wouldn't have to carry every single scene and every single story.
The theoretical show is called "United" and not "Archer" because it's meant to be a look at the formation of the Federation government and the conflicts (everything from intrigue, to espionage, to diplomacy and yes Starship combat) it faces in the process, and not a focused character study on Jonathan Archer. Based on the premise, it has the potential to have a broader scope than any other Star Trek show before it.
I'm not going to dismiss the the concept just based on the premise. If they can make a Star Trek show set at a school as entertaining as they have, and I'm enjoying the hell out of Academy, then they can make this premise work as well.
At any rate, at this point we're just going in circles over nothing so I'm just going to drop it for now until there's something else to go in circles over.
How much longer is Trek going to continue to wallow in the 22nd-23rd centuries?
We've just finished Strange New Worlds. Legacy and SFA are steps forward into uncharted territory. United, OTOH, would be hemmed in by the continuities of Disco, Enterprise, TOS, and SNW (Everything that happens in United risks retconning events in the other four shows I've mentioned).
Fans were bellyaching about canon being disrupted in SNW. What would happen if we let United have at it?
We've just finished Strange New Worlds. Legacy and SFA are steps forward into uncharted territory. United, OTOH, would be hemmed in by the continuities of Disco, Enterprise, TOS, and SNW (Everything that happens in United risks retconning events in the other four shows I've mentioned).
Fans were bellyaching about canon being disrupted in SNW. What would happen if we let United have at it?
Indeed. A premise is just that; a premise. Yes, my interested is extremely low because I don't like Archer. But, the execution would be the proof in the pudding.
Fans will bellyache no matter what. It's not about entertainment anymore.
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