Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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Fair enough.
I would assume that the clones would also had the Phage
Not if they're made from the DNA collected on some physically sane aliens. It should be a lot easier to collect DNA, which is harmless, than entire organs.
The two B'Elanna's were separated by a very sophisticated transporter, not cloned.
One of the Voyagers was crippled and the other one was fine. If they hadn't been smart enough to figure out how to talk to each other, the fine one would have flown off, and the crippled one would have sat their crippled, awaiting collection by the Vidiaans.
It's possible that this happened to Voyager hundreds of times and they didn't notice, if the extremity of the division (this time) was only maybe so pronounced because they were inside a weird cloud with unusual properties, or it took too long for the Vidiaans to find the two Voyagers because they are hiding in that space cloud.
One of the Voyagers was crippled and the other one was fine. If they hadn't been smart enough to figure out how to talk to each other, the fine one would have flown off, and the crippled one would have sat their crippled, awaiting collection by the Vidiaans.
It's possible that this happened to Voyager hundreds of times and they didn't notice, if the extremity of the division (this time) was only maybe so pronounced because they were inside a weird cloud with unusual properties, or it took too long for the Vidiaans to find the two Voyagers because they are hiding in that space cloud.
Question is... why don't Vidiians simply grow healthy organ parts from stem cells?
I mean, stem-cells are one of those technologies that was really never pushed forward in Trek.. could be used for radical extension of lifespan for example (to the point of immortality really)... or even combined with replicators, it could easily create new organs.
Healthy Vidiians still existed after all, so they can use them as a baseline to grow organs in an accelerated manner, or just take sick Vidiians and use their stem-cells.
I just find it ridiculous that a race so advanced as the Vidiians in medical fields had such an issue with the Phage... but I guess the show needed some interesting villains.
I mean, stem-cells are one of those technologies that was really never pushed forward in Trek.. could be used for radical extension of lifespan for example (to the point of immortality really)... or even combined with replicators, it could easily create new organs.
Healthy Vidiians still existed after all, so they can use them as a baseline to grow organs in an accelerated manner, or just take sick Vidiians and use their stem-cells.
I just find it ridiculous that a race so advanced as the Vidiians in medical fields had such an issue with the Phage... but I guess the show needed some interesting villains.
Ironically (maybe she should tell that story in the thread about irony) , it was the crippled one that ultimately flew off.
I might be wrong but don't we nly have the Think Tanks word that they cured the Phage? They could have been lying.
In Universe it's an irreconcilable paradox, in reality it's just sloppy writing by ignorant writers.
True, but they wanted to integrate Seven and they should have known how much she valued honesty. Once she'd be a part of them, she'd have been privy to all their conversations.
The Vidiians didn't split Voyager in two in "Deadlock." That was a weird anomaly. The Vidiian ship just happened to be in the area and decided to harvest organs. They didn't even realize the ship was doubled, if I recall correctly.
The problems were because the two Voyagers were connected to the same fuel and energy supplies and there was only enough for one (the fuel and energy were not duplicated in the accident). The Vidiians only died because they were on the ship that one Captain Janeway self-destructed. (And, as stated above, the Vidiians had nothing to do with the duplication in the first place.)
You remember why Janeway wanted their help?
Voyager was being hunted by mercenaries that the Think tank hired to pester Janeway.
You don't have to lie, to speak untruthfully.
Sank oil is a cure for cancer.
Says so on the bottle.
It's a cure that doesn't work, but it's still marketed as a cure.
Well, thank you but I already knew all that. I was just arguing with guy about the possibility that the Vidiians could have been the cause of the duplication.
You remember why Janeway wanted their help?
Voyager was being hunted by mercenaries that the Think tank hired to pester Janeway.
You don't have to lie, to speak untruthfully.
Sank oil is a cure for cancer.
Says so on the bottle.
It's a cure that doesn't work, but it's still marketed as a cure.
There's no such thing as a cure that doesn't work. Either it's a cure or it isn't. Those are the only two possibilities. A cure that doesn't work is just nonsense.
Okay, no prob.
For what it's worth, we don't know for sure if the Think Tank was lying about curing the Vidiians or not (either could be true). From what I've seen, most official references just note that the Think Tank said this, and leave it up to the readers to judge how truthful they were being.
Anything is possible but I just get the feeling that they weren't lying. I think they were really that good, the problem is that they weren't very moral not that they were incompetent.
"Turbulence" as they left the cloud is how it was described.
That could be "anything".
"Man" made or freeformed.
So we could both be right, or we both could be wrong.
Do you know what a liar is?
The Think Tank are Grifters.
When they lie, they pretend that they telling the truth.
Snake Oil can cure cancer.
No, I think they are really very good, they just lack morality and altruism. Don't forget that they are using technology that completely baffles the others. Like that holographic interface that allows them to taste things.
There's an episode of Blackadder where Edmund meets Liz One, and fails to prove that he is a sorcerer by showing her a futuristic rewards points credit-card from the super market chain Tescos.
Morality = A spectrum of behaviour.
Altruism = Doing good for no pay.
Yup.
The end of the episode had a whole bunch of aliens who figured out that they had been lied to and swindled, finally catch up to the Think Tank and try to kill them, because the Think Tank are bad people.
The Tank were tricky trickers tricking the tricked.
If the Think tank had truly met the Vidiians "recently" then the Think Tank had a Star Drive that could get Voyager Home in the same time as it took the Think Tank to get from Vidiian space class to the Caretakers Array to where they were this episode in Season Five.
Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies invented the cure to the common cold decades before she moved to California, and was amazed that Mr Drysdale didn't know, because there was a full page article all about in the Hooterville gazette.
Good lies are unverifiable lies.
Morality = A spectrum of behaviour.
Altruism = Doing good for no pay.
Yup.
The end of the episode had a whole bunch of aliens who figured out that they had been lied to and swindled, finally catch up to the Think Tank and try to kill them, because the Think Tank are bad people.
The Tank were tricky trickers tricking the tricked.
If the Think tank had truly met the Vidiians "recently" then the Think Tank had a Star Drive that could get Voyager Home in the same time as it took the Think Tank to get from Vidiian space class to the Caretakers Array to where they were this episode in Season Five.
Granny from the Beverly Hillbillies invented the cure to the common cold decades before she moved to California, and was amazed that Mr Drysdale didn't know, because there was a full page article all about in the Hooterville gazette.
Good lies are unverifiable lies.
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That's easy.
If they can project a hologram into a ship, then it stands to reason their sensors can accurately scan the chemical compound of an object on a vessel where they appear which is information relayed to the user of the said hologram.
Namely, on his side, he is likely either in a holodeck or a specialized room which renders whatever the environment that the hologram appears in.
Foods and certain things appear in an authentic manner on his side, but on the ship's end, his hologram is interactive - namely it can move objects around and even consume food which is likely being converted on the spot inside the body into energy or something else.
It's not baffling technology. Other races can probably replicate the effect... they just might not have thought of using it like that... and for the most part, SF ships (at least in that era) had no need to use holograms in such a manner.
