Yes, pretty much and when you compare that to the threat posed by Tuvix then it's staggering!
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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Yes, pretty much and when you compare that to the threat posed by Tuvix then it's staggering!
The only one in ten ships filled with hundreds of Vidiians. That's pretty damning to the Vidiians in general.
The Vidians were interesting bad guys. If there was no plague we are given the impression that they would just be normal people, nothing really 'evil' about them but because of the plague they are driven to desperate measures to survive.
I got the impression from Pel that the harvesting of organs from living people was not officially condoned by the Vidian society and that these harvesters were a sort of renegade bunch but I might be misremembering.
I got the impression from Pel that the harvesting of organs from living people was not officially condoned by the Vidian society and that these harvesters were a sort of renegade bunch but I might be misremembering.
1. Everyone had the Phage, and the ships were harvesting more organs in space than they actually needed, to take/sell back home.
OR...
2. If you had the Phage, or you graduated to an advanced stage, they kicked you off planet, once off planet, it was take organs or die. It was also probably take organs, and still die, which means that the harvester ships were always hanging around some dropspot, maybe a moon, "Lepper" colony, where the newly too infected are released to keep the good people on Vidiia safe, to pick up new crew.
OR...
2. If you had the Phage, or you graduated to an advanced stage, they kicked you off planet, once off planet, it was take organs or die. It was also probably take organs, and still die, which means that the harvester ships were always hanging around some dropspot, maybe a moon, "Lepper" colony, where the newly too infected are released to keep the good people on Vidiia safe, to pick up new crew.
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It was definately take organs and still die. They said that. Taking the organs just bought them a little more time
I just skimmed through the transcript and didn't notice something like that, but there is a line that makes me think that organ stealing is a common thing
DENARA: I'm sure it is. Please understand this disease has been killing my people for hundreds of years. Trying to stop it has become an obsession, and many of our politicians and scientists have never developed compassion for the people who keep us alive. As much as I want to go on living, I've accepted the fact that I will die soon. I only want your help if you are willing to give it.
That's all well and good but it's pure speculation on your part.
A.) I'm just going off of hazy memories (and I don't think I saw every Vidiian episode), and B.) for story-telling purposes, I think Pel was the only character that was presented as a "good guy." There were presumably other Vidiians out there who were not as amoral as the other ones we saw, but since they were presented as the villains, that's the role most of them needed to play.
The guy from the Think Tank said that they had found the cure for the phage. Maybe they went back to being normal people after that.
I think they would. I don't think they were harvesting organs because they liked killing people, just to keep themselves alive. Once they didn't need to do that anymore I think they would no longer be a threat to anyone
It's odd though, the Vidiians had tried to eradicate the phage for two thousand years and the Think Tank succeeded in what? Weeks? Maybe even days. These guys are incredible, too bad that they are villains.
They would probably have to keep a strong military to defend themselves from the races they used to harvest from who might want some revenge.
Or maybe they could use the immense medical knowledge that they've accumulated to help out the people they wronged in the past.
Yes, two conflicting and incompatible reads are obviously speculation. One of them might be right, or neither. There are no answers to most Voyager questions unless we canonize the porn parody.
I thought you said you liked Seinfeld?
It's called subtext.
The Think Tank are shill merchants.
Everything they say is a gilded half truth.
There are a lot of horrible reasons why Janeway wouldn't recognize the Vidiians, other than that they are now gorgeous and it seems like the Phage never happened.
Maybe they're all Jelly Fish now, their arms al fell off or all dead and buried?
I don't think the Think Tank guy would lie to Janeway about the Vidiians, after all their ultimate objective was to get Seven. They likely knew that if she found out that they had lied about their accomplishments she wouldn't have stayed with them. I think we can credit them with some forward thinking in that area.
There are two reason how they may not need to apologise.
1. Denarra said that they were criminals. Look up "privateer". Before war with Spain was about to start, Liz One told all the English born pirates that she was giving them amnesty, as well as aid and comfort, if they only targeted foreign ships, and especially Spanish ships, in exchange for a piece of the action.
2. In faces, B'Elanna was split in two. In Deadlock Voyager was split in two. It's the same technology in two Vidiian stories. If you're going to say that it was a natural phenomena in Deadlock, well, what if maybe it wasn't? If "only" duplicates are being Harvested, and no one seems to be missing, then thousand of ships are not going missing every month, so there is less to apologise about.
That's all well and good but it's pure speculation on your part.
that's an interesting thought...make a duplicate and kill them for parts.
You're still killing a sentient being
You're still killing a sentient being
I know, I still tear up, everytime I kill someone too.
The Objective might be to stop ten thousand ships showing up in parking orbit and opening fire on the surface of Vidiia, more so than to ease the peace of mind of practically already dead people.
The process explained in Deadlock, creates a duplicate by destroying the original. So the Harvesters killed everyone twice, to let them go once, if this is actually a thing and not a coincidence.
The Objective might be to stop ten thousand ships showing up in parking orbit and opening fire on the surface of Vidiia, more so than to ease the peace of mind of practically already dead people.
The process explained in Deadlock, creates a duplicate by destroying the original. So the Harvesters killed everyone twice, to let them go once, if this is actually a thing and not a coincidence.
Deadlock was bizarre, Apparently the duplication created some problems that severely damaged one of the Voyagers plus the Vidiians all died as a result. So if it was their plan all along then maybe it needs some readjusting.
The B'elanna incident on the other hand is food for thought. Why don't the Vidiians simply grow clones on their homeworld. People on the outside wouldn't even know about it and so it would be a lot safer. It's hard to believe that people who know so much about organs are complete ignorant about the cloning process which should be simpler in comparison.
