And your just making excuses for lazy, contrived and recycled writing.
Excessive Criticism of "STAR TREK VOYAGER"
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TNG didn't use the reset nearly as often as voyager did. I'll say there is an escalation between the two series.
It took you FIVE SEASONS before you fell in love with Kate Mulgrew?????
Ha, yes! She was the reason I watched the show in the first place, but it did take me five seasons to realize I loved the woman. Now I'm an uber fan or something..
Not a fan of the episode that last clip came from, by the way. Totally weird for me. LOVED her scenes though, of course.
This I agree with. As far as I'm concerned NuBSG fell apart after the Second Season. It all went downhill after they settled on that planet. I know many liked that show and were sad ended but I endured the last two seasons. I wish I had stopped watching after the Pegasus arc.
Which Voyager is hardly the only Trek guilty of. It doesn't help that Voyager's premise was the most constrained of out all the Treks...except maybe Enterprise.
Why would the crew be incompentent if they couldn't replace torpedeos? If you can't replace something you can't replace something it's not a matter of compentenace or lack thereof.
And no you don't need to come up with excuses for why a recurring charcter doesn't appear in an episode. If you look at TNG O'Brien clocked up something like 50 appearences before he moved over to DSN, you don't really here critisims of why he wasn't in certain episodes. So no you don't have to include them in stories when you don't want to. You simply reuse them when the story calls for it instead of say indrocuing yet another new character.
In the case of Farscape and Dark Matter just about the only people on those ships are the main characters i.e those ships don't have other crew.
I assume you're being sarcastic, in which case I agree.
With a cast of NINE, personally I would rather they used the screen time to develop the main characters than have some random story line about some ensign we only see one time.
I agree with this. Voyager had the best premise in my opinion which was closer to Gene's vision. They were on their own truly exploring the unknown
They did some tentative character development, the problem is that they almost never followed up on that.
I strongly disagree. I think many of the characters grew and changed over the course of the show. Even Harry had growth. Compare him in season 7 to how green he was in season 1.
A series can be the worst Trek series and yet still not a disaster.
I think a lot of TNG fans would admit the series had some missed opportunities, especially in terms of excessive episodic-ness and too little continuity and some characters being underdeveloped and they're able to discuss and even complain about those faults while still liking the series overall; that other series had flaws, even the same flaws, doesn't mean they had them to the same extent.
Voyager wasn't a disaster but I think its stories and characters generally weren't as effective as what came before and it really suffered from lacking continuity and consistency.
Some fans are too critical of Janeway but I think that's related to the actress and writers, at least Taylor, being very reluctant to ever portray her as having flaws or be in the wrong.
There's a middle ground in terms of both length and intensity of the conflict, like for at least most of the first two years Chakotay could have been more critical of Starfleet approaches and argued for alternatives. For example in the episode "Alliances" he could have been, even reluctantly, for trading technology but instead even from the beginning he's not at all for doing that just some even-milder response and the conflict/difference between him and Janeway being so mild feels forced and less interesting.
I think a lot of TNG fans would admit the series had some missed opportunities, especially in terms of excessive episodic-ness and too little continuity and some characters being underdeveloped and they're able to discuss and even complain about those faults while still liking the series overall; that other series had flaws, even the same flaws, doesn't mean they had them to the same extent.
Voyager wasn't a disaster but I think its stories and characters generally weren't as effective as what came before and it really suffered from lacking continuity and consistency.
Some fans are too critical of Janeway but I think that's related to the actress and writers, at least Taylor, being very reluctant to ever portray her as having flaws or be in the wrong.
There's a middle ground in terms of both length and intensity of the conflict, like for at least most of the first two years Chakotay could have been more critical of Starfleet approaches and argued for alternatives. For example in the episode "Alliances" he could have been, even reluctantly, for trading technology but instead even from the beginning he's not at all for doing that just some even-milder response and the conflict/difference between him and Janeway being so mild feels forced and less interesting.
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The way I see it. From season one to seven Harry has remained Voyager's whipping boy. He's the one who gets punched, dismissed, browbeaten and humiliated. Plus he's a perpetual malcontent. Even when he finds himself back with his girlfriend with a flourishing career and all the trimmings there is still something about his life that he doesn't like. To me that guy is a pathological anhedonic. I don't see him as different in the last episode.
I might agree with you had that episode come in season 7, but since it was very early on it was before much of his growth. But yes, he always was the punching bag so to speak
A lot of it does come down to personal taste and what you are willing to overlook. I never had a problem with the torpedoes because at some point they obviously WERE able to replace them. It would have been nice to know how they did that but I didn't need to see it.
They build the Delta Flyer, twice, so obviously they found a way to replace the smaller but not as intricate shuttlecraft.
The ship being more battered...we often saw Janeway going off on 'trade' missions. For all we know some of those 'trade' missions included a stop at their space dock for repairs. We did see Voyager having to stop at least once, during Nightengale, for an extensive overhaul. Other people need to 'see' things like that and there is nothing wrong with that...it's just a matter of what they would 'like' to see and have explained. It just wasn't anything I cared about.
I do agree with some criticism. Not developing Harry and Chakotay more for instance. I liked the Doctor and Seven but they could have toned that down a bit. The crew didn't need to create chaos wherever they went. I would like to have seen some of the secondary characters take on a bit more, like the Equinox Five for example. They don't need to have whole episodes dedicated to them but they could be given things to do.
I mean, anybody else would have said: "So there's someone else in my place on Voyager. So what? Maybe the ship is all the better for it." and get on with his life. Only harry would have looked the gift horse in the mouth, with a magnifying glass and night vision goggles... if you get my point.
I mean...I wouldn't have..
Seriously. I would have been panicking, lol. "What the heck happened to my life??" Scared out of my mind... Harry handled it fine ;PSure, I believe you.
