Excelsior Technical Manual (Third Time's The Charm?)

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by Praetor, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Rekkert

    Rekkert Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Very nice progress! Indeed, the bridge will be... interesting, to say the least. :p
     
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  2. Mytran

    Mytran Commodore Commodore

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    That is...one curious deck!

    Loving the developments on this thread BTW :techman:
     
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  3. danellis

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    Excellent and fascinating work. Something I've always half wanted to do on one ship or other (probably the Galaxy class). Out of interest, what headroom did you allow for, or are the light-yellow areas purely full height?

    Just an FYI: I work in housing design in the UK, and we count 1500mm headroom and up when calculating usable room sizes.

    (and sorry to ask a potentially annoying question, but I presume you allowed for the hull thickness in these?!?

    dJE
     
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  4. 137th Gebirg

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    I could see where the darker half-deck could be deuterium or water storage. FJ filled the TOS-E with those all around the angled parts of the primary hull that weren't tall enough to allow a full-height deck.
     
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  5. Praetor

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    Thank you! And yes, the bridge module. I have to do some scaling with some fairly accurate set plans and see what happens. I'm relatively certain the dome is going to be too narrow, even at a 622 meter overall length. The simplest solution if this happens would be to make the dome more properly round, as Jackill did. It would also have the benefit of better matching the Constitution class dome, but I really don't like the idea having to fudge details to make them work. We'll cross that bridge soon enough.

    Thank you! So the saucer decks are about 9 feet and the engineering hull decks are about 12 feet. I have to do a little bit more scaling to figure out exact measures but at this point I'm mostly following the deck lines I've laid out. I wanted to get a feel for the space and then decide how to divide the actual area. I'm generally assuming that the top half-foot and bottom half-foot of a given saucer deck are for various equipment. I haven't entirely decided about the engineering hull. And, no, I haven't gotten down to the hull thickness issue yet but thanks for reminding me that I need to account or it. :rommie:

    The housing design fact is interesting... so you guys go with five feet as usable?

    I have two large deuterium tanks penciled in under the impulse engines at the rear, with a smaller dedicated tank at the bottom of the warp core, but I was also planning on having a few smaller auxiliary tanks scattered around. For that particular deck, I was envisioning the phaser equipment, shield generators, some water storage, life support, and other support tech. There will probably be waist-height or lower Jefferies tubes for crawling about these areas. Decks 5 and 6 above and Decks 10 and 11 underneath are going to be fairly similar. In fact, I'm envisioning 10 and 11 basically being all crew support systems.

    With the overall saucer arrangement, I have a notion partially borrowed from TMoST and Mr. Scott's Guide that the TOS/refit Enterprise had most science and command rooms up top, crew quarters/support rooms in the middle, and then support and additional science equipment toward the bottom, plus the armory/phaser room in the TOS version. I intend to show echoes of this in Excelsior, but also show that things are beginning to be a bit decentralized and rearranged to where some of these systems are being dispersed throughout the saucer and ship overall. However, I think by the time of TNG, on the Galaxy class has things more widely distributed, with only some areas, such as sickbay, for example, in close to their traditional location.
     
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  6. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

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    Still not able to see the image files.
     
  7. Praetor

    Praetor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Sorry about that @DEWLine! These should work a bit better for you.

    Deck 01:
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    Deck 02:
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    Deck 03:
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    Deck 04:
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    Deck 05:
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    Deck 06:
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    Deck 07:
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    Deck 08:
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    Deck 09:
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    Still refining and evaluating the overall feel of "rightness" for the space of each deck. As before, yellow represents full height areas and orange shorter areas. I should note in the interconnecting dorsal, the radiator fins are NOT yet represented, nor are the cut-outs. I also just realized on the most recent two decks I forgot the engineering "hump." Woops. I'll fix that next time.

    I still haven't tried scaling any set plans quite yet. I need to start plugging in some features that are clear from the exterior as well, such as the deflection crystals, phaser banks, landing feet, and ventral airlocks.

    More to come! If anyone has a issue with these links, please let me know.

    (Edited to remove the incorrect decks 10-12.)
     
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  8. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

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    Looks good so far...
     
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  9. Praetor

    Praetor Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Evening, folks. Here are a few updates of decks 10-12, plus new 13 and 14:

    Deck 10:
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    Deck 11:
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    Deck 12:
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    Deck 13:
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    Deck 14:
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    The planetary sensor dome area of deck thirteen I imagine to be basically a couple of ladders down and a catwalk to access sensor dome equipment. I'm envisioning the ventral sensor dome much like a modern radar dome only inverted; a hollow dome with lots of equipment pointed outwards. Saucer deck fourteen likely won't be accessible at all.

    The "humpback" top (deck ten) will contain a phaser bank per the Lakota on "Paradise Lost" and I have planned the structure to contain a warp "supercharger" and the EPS taps/manifold, so there will only be a few basic corridors and ladders here most likely. I may also add the nacelle pylons and nacelles to this deck thirteen or fourteen view, because why not?

    Meanwhile at the fantail, I am toying with using the Round 2 model kit configuration, with the "canopy" over a structure beneath. The canopy would be a vacuum and essentially provide a staging area for shuttles ready to launch without the need of a force field. It seems like the easiest way to explain the changes between the NX and NCC versions of this area, as well as the weird canopy itself. I'm not married to this, but this is my current way of thinking.

    Tomorrow I hope to get a ways into the engineering hull, and hopefully do some rough set scaling for comparisons.
     
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