Exactly. The only thing that's maybe changed is that when Kirk, Spock, McCoy and Ensign McGenericname beam down, you don't necessarily know which one isn't coming back
EW:No main characters are safe
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Well, it could be Spock. He's been dead before.
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The more rumors I read about STD the less I think I'm going to end up watching it for more than a few episodes (open mind - try anything once I guess).
Weird looking Klingons (again), 24th C tech looking ships in the early 23rd (again) and (worst of all) dont get too attached to any character cos they are likely to end up dead (probably in some over the top sadistic gratuitous fashion, solely to improve the viewing figures!).
Getting further and further from the frontier excitement that a ten years before TOS, Prime universe series we were originally promised would be.
This current tv-drama obsession with shocking slaughters of main characters is just another fictional conceit, just as the "white hatted" heroes being protected by luck was. But ST was founded on that and to me it seems a terrible shame and contrary to Trek to now bring in the cynical, cheap, headline grabbing deaths of main characters. Surely a sign that the producers and directors have no faith in their concept and writers. Otherwise why fill a third of an episode with sickening gratuitous deaths as the recent WD did with Negans first appearance. No good material so we'll just fill it with a drawn out death scene or too, and get the internet rumour mill buzzing too - free publicity!!
I hope that both I and the premise of this thead are wrong - But I'm not betting on it.
Weird looking Klingons (again), 24th C tech looking ships in the early 23rd (again) and (worst of all) dont get too attached to any character cos they are likely to end up dead (probably in some over the top sadistic gratuitous fashion, solely to improve the viewing figures!).
Getting further and further from the frontier excitement that a ten years before TOS, Prime universe series we were originally promised would be.
This current tv-drama obsession with shocking slaughters of main characters is just another fictional conceit, just as the "white hatted" heroes being protected by luck was. But ST was founded on that and to me it seems a terrible shame and contrary to Trek to now bring in the cynical, cheap, headline grabbing deaths of main characters. Surely a sign that the producers and directors have no faith in their concept and writers. Otherwise why fill a third of an episode with sickening gratuitous deaths as the recent WD did with Negans first appearance. No good material so we'll just fill it with a drawn out death scene or too, and get the internet rumour mill buzzing too - free publicity!!
I hope that both I and the premise of this thead are wrong - But I'm not betting on it.
Not to be argumentative, but I have a couple of observations.
One, we haven't see the actually Discovery ship, so the level of tech is still relatively unknown. Everything, thus far, has been consistent with the USS Kelvin, ten years (ish) before DSC.
Secondly, I find it odd that there is the assumption that because no one is safe, the producers lack confidence in the writers, when it indicates that the producers feel more freedom to allow the writers to try something new. Again, its an unknown because its not been done before. I mean, I felt a great connection to Captain Robau and George Kirk and they both died. The frontier was not known to be a safe place.
Finally, we simply don't know. That's all. There are tidbits of information that have created such a furor of "free publicity" that CBS must just be laughing, because there isn't nearly enough information to make such conclusion. There is no indication that this is "WD in space" or "GoT" in space, but rather than a contemporary style of storytelling is being embraced, rather than the same episodic format of the past several TV shows.
As a general comment, not at anyone in particular, but I'm just so confused by the cynicism that is generally expressed about DSC.
I refuse to be cynicalIt's Star Trek--where fandom is always suspicious and cynical towards new iterations all while protesting how positive, progressive and visionary Trekdom is. Didn't you get the memo?
Star Trek has always shown serving in Starfleet to be a deadly occupation, hell TOS had the guarantee that nearly everyone wearing a red shirt was going to die, so much so that the term Redshirt is now used to describe expendable background guys. People always die in Star Trek, so what if this show wants to develop the "Redshirts" into someone we might give a damn about before they get killed?
And besides, Star Trek is way too light on main character deaths as it is. The only main character death in TOS was Spock, who came back. In TNG, there's Tasha Yar and Data, though Data didn't die until the last adventure. Even then, his memories live on in B-4. DS9 it's just Jadzia Dax, and even then the Dax symbiont lived on. No one died in Voyager's main cast, and in Enterprise we lost Trip in the finale. In over fifty years of Star Trek only one main character has died a permanent death before the final adventure without a part of them living on in some manner. If anything, Star Trek is long overdue for some main characters to die, and indeed, it is owed.
I hear she'll be busy piloting the Millennium Falcon.
I wonder what the Great Bird would think of that?
Two of the most TZ -like shows on Trek that I've ever seen are Voyager's Course Oblivion and DS9's The Sound of Her Voice
CO starts with copy of the Voyager crew that doesn't realized they're copies until halfway into the episode. Everyone is dying or dissolving or something so decide they have to rush to make it back to the demon planet where they discovered they came from. They don't make it, and afterwards the real Voyager crew comes upon their wreckage and finds just scattered debris and don't where it came from. No one ever knew this crew existed.
In The Sound of Her Voice, Sisko gets a distress call from a stranded female captain and rushes to the rescue. He and the crew have extended personal conversations with her. When they arrive at the crash site, all they find are remains. Turns out the signal she sent was from the past and it somehow time shifted into the future. They had been having a real time conversation with a female captain whom had been dead for years.
Both had a dramatic creepy sci fi feel to it. Really underrated.
But these were mainly what you would call red shirt examples which took the steam out the danger in the first place. It tried to create that sense of danger, but used so many redshirts to do it, it left a lot of suspense out.
CO starts with copy of the Voyager crew that doesn't realized they're copies until halfway into the episode. Everyone is dying or dissolving or something so decide they have to rush to make it back to the demon planet where they discovered they came from. They don't make it, and afterwards the real Voyager crew comes upon their wreckage and finds just scattered debris and don't where it came from. No one ever knew this crew existed.
In The Sound of Her Voice, Sisko gets a distress call from a stranded female captain and rushes to the rescue. He and the crew have extended personal conversations with her. When they arrive at the crash site, all they find are remains. Turns out the signal she sent was from the past and it somehow time shifted into the future. They had been having a real time conversation with a female captain whom had been dead for years.
Both had a dramatic creepy sci fi feel to it. Really underrated.
But these were mainly what you would call red shirt examples which took the steam out the danger in the first place. It tried to create that sense of danger, but used so many redshirts to do it, it left a lot of suspense out.
And even then there was Sela.
One thing that will make deaths in Discovery different is that I imagine any that happen will be planned from the start, rather than due to an actor leaving.
He wrote it, IIRC.
Perhaps what this really means isn't so much that the main characters will frequently die as that there will be more fleshed out secondary characters (like Damar or Major Hayes), many of whom will eventually be killed off, along with the occasional captain.
I met Jason Isaac's today and asked him if they had killed his character off yet.
His answer:
"I'm sorry, I don't speak English."
(Laugh)
"I was still filming yesterday, that's all I can say."
I'll be pissed if Lorca ends up being a fake name since that's what he signed my poster as. He said "No, no, no, it's real".
His answer:
"I'm sorry, I don't speak English."
(Laugh)
"I was still filming yesterday, that's all I can say."
I'll be pissed if Lorca ends up being a fake name since that's what he signed my poster as. He said "No, no, no, it's real".
Yes, they were. But, that's my point. Death was still present, but just not towards the main characters.
Apparently, in the desire for something different, there is now the clamor for the same when writers threaten something different.
Exactly.
Well, since this show centers on two ships, we likely will see some swap outs between Discovery and Shenzhou. But yeah, this show could potentially deal with crew transfers much better than the others did too. I mean, really, there's just Worf and O'Brien who got permanent transfers in Trek's fifty year history.
The Trek franchise really is rather stagnant, isn't it?
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