He said it.
EW:No main characters are safe
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He said it.
“Actor Existence Failure”? What the actual fuck?
Please, have some decency and respect.
The former. I just wanted to include the context. Sorry for the confusion.
That was actually a trope name for quite some time (it has since been renamed to "The character died with him"), so Shaka Zulu probably didn't mean for it to sound disrespectful, I assume it's the result of spending too much time on tvtropes.org, you start to casually use trope names, many of us have been there.“Actor Existence Failure”? What the actual fuck?
I think for a good, serialized show to succeed, they need something unexpected to happen. Regularly. Character deaths is one of those. But overuse it - and it becomes predictable again. See 24 or GoT, where there either isn't any suspence, because you expect certain characters to die.
To pull that successfully off is extremely difficult. It can be unexpected deaths, major relationship changes, sudden reveals, or flipping the premise (the occupation of DS9 is a great example). All of those need to happen, but with variety, and none of them too often, hopefully only once or twice.
Michelle Yeoh's and Jason Isaac's character arcs are predestined to end during the first season, and their characters with them. Will it be really "shocking surprise" if either of them dies?
To pull that successfully off is extremely difficult. It can be unexpected deaths, major relationship changes, sudden reveals, or flipping the premise (the occupation of DS9 is a great example). All of those need to happen, but with variety, and none of them too often, hopefully only once or twice.
Michelle Yeoh's and Jason Isaac's character arcs are predestined to end during the first season, and their characters with them. Will it be really "shocking surprise" if either of them dies?
It's all a matter of how its handled.
Kirk's death in ID was not "surprising" but it fit the theme of his arc and the film. So, it worked well in the story.
I don't want "twists" or "shockers" because those are cheap and ruin the rewatch value for me-see Season 2 of Daredevil for me.
Kirk's death in ID was not "surprising" but it fit the theme of his arc and the film. So, it worked well in the story.
I don't want "twists" or "shockers" because those are cheap and ruin the rewatch value for me-see Season 2 of Daredevil for me.
What makes you say this? Other than fan speculation, I've not seen anything to suggest that our lead not being the Captain is a temporary thing.
Yeah, exactly. I think there can be made a case for Captain Georgiou and the Shenzhou not lasting very long, because of some things said in the trailer and the fact that Burnham ends up as first officer on Discovery. But the fact that Burnham would be the first Star Trek main character who's not the captain was heavily advertised, so I'd be very surprised if Captain Lorca bites the dust soon.
There's also been talk about the show featuring two ships working parallel to one another, which would also support the notion that Georgiou would survive longer. But I'm not sure if this comes from the producers or is just fan speculation.
The Shenzhou is not there to stay long, especially when a large chunk of her bridge crew are listed as 'Discovery'-bridge crew for the main series. Michelle Yeoh ist also too big an actor to stay around for more than one season - she has already new projects announced for after the first season. And the teaser made sure she's a mentor to Michael Burnham. That makes her the Obi-Wan Kenobi character. At best it turns out for her like for Pike in ST9 and she survives, but her character arc will be finished.
As for Jason Isaacs: Have you seen 'Crimson Tide'? Michael Burnham is the Denzel Washington-character and Isaacs the Gene Hackman of that movie. There is no way they cast an actor like him just to be in the background. He's going to play a significant role for the first season that's not the main character. But he's not going to become the main character after that, nor will he commit to stay on as a secondary regular character the following seasons. That means
his story arc will end after the first season, one way or the other.
But you're correct in that it's only speculation based upon the actors cast.
That's the operative phrase, yes...
As far as speculation goes, that at least feels well thought out.
As far as the thread title and most of the early discussion in the thread goes, oooooh, edgy. Killing off main characters, wow. Nobody's done that before.
It is new for Star Trek. Just because someone has done it before, doesn't mean it shouldn't be done in other stories.
Not everything has to be 100% original, mostly because very few things are 100% original.
Tasha Yar, Kes, Spock (at least temporary) and Dax would like to have a word with you
But you are 100% correct, in that at every earlier occasions main character deaths were motivated by external factors - e.g. actors being unavailable - and not pre-planned as a story arc.
We will see. I like the notion that every character can die. But it should be the very rare occasion that actually happens. Which is extremely difficult to pull off. I like that they even try. We will see how succesfull it will be in the end...
I agree with you as well, and while I applaud all three of your examples, almost all three came back in some way or another. Not that that fact bothers me. I prefer the story to sell me on people's reactions to their death within the world than them just dying.Tasha Yar, Kes, Spock (at least temporary) and Dax would like to have a word with you
But you are 100% correct, in that at every earlier occasions main character deaths were motivated by external factors - e.g. actors being unavailable - and not pre-planned as a story arc.
We will see. I like the notion that every character can die. But it should be the very rare occasion that actually happens. Which is extremely difficult to pull off. I like that they even try. We will see how succesfull it will be in the end...
Dax was never killed, only Jadzia was. Ezri Dax was alive and kicking, last we saw her.
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