That's the joke. Or I was referring to his actual death in 2368.
EW:No main characters are safe
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In other words: no reset button if characters die.
I thought that was considered a good thing these days.
It darn sure is, Greg.
I think the good thing about this is that there will be a lot more intensity when characters are in dangerous situations because you know there is a possibility they might die. as opposed to past shows where you know they will live. Also the producers said they weren't gonna overdo it and turn it into a blood bath which is also a positive
I guess this explains the presence of One-Note Alien Guy who was bred to sense death. He can stand at the back of the bridge and point at who's next on the hit list. Just when I was getting my hopes up about Discovery, now they've turned it into a game of warp-driven Whack-A-Mole.
Only until he dies.
They say that after they've already invoked the "Game of Thrones In SPAAAAAAACE!!!" bit. Time will tell. Giving some writers a license to kill can be like giving Jack the Ripper an unlimited supply of amphetamines and a hundred Ginsu knives. I'll be keeping my Wellies close at hand.
So basically, even though they're wearing blue, everyone is a Redshirt.
Aye. Regardless of rank, you're Ensign Expendable.
Honestly, for all the fan bitching about how "lazy" and "manipulative" writers like Whedon and the GoT people supposedly are because they kill popular ("beloved," puh-lease) characters - those folks create memorable drama that lots of people really get into. Trek, meanwhile, has spent a generation telling puzzle stories that no one but trufans give a shit about.
It's hard to argue that what Star Trek has done in recent decades represents a better or higher kind of television drama than GoT or Westworld or nuBSG or BTVS or Firefly...
Fans complained forever, it seemed, about the so-called "reset button." Well, hey, you got your wish. Congratulations!
It's hard to argue that what Star Trek has done in recent decades represents a better or higher kind of television drama than GoT or Westworld or nuBSG or BTVS or Firefly...
Fans complained forever, it seemed, about the so-called "reset button." Well, hey, you got your wish. Congratulations!
Lt. Saru is definitely going to die.
A character that can sense death coming is not something writers want to have to work into an ongoing series.
A character that can sense death coming is not something writers want to have to work into an ongoing series.
Skeptical of this in a Trek show. So long as they kill characters because it makes a good story and not just because, hey, time to kill someone, that's fine.
I never got the impression in GoT they kill them off just because they are popular. For all the deaths, at least to me all of them come off like the credible conclusion of the character's arc. (Not like certain Lost deaths, but on Lost the random coincidental deaths mostly happened to the less popular character).
If they can calibrate the death rate so you feel like characters are allowed to die, but are not afraid they're going to blow up around every corner, that could work.
I never got the impression in GoT they kill them off just because they are popular. For all the deaths, at least to me all of them come off like the credible conclusion of the character's arc. (Not like certain Lost deaths, but on Lost the random coincidental deaths mostly happened to the less popular character).
If they can calibrate the death rate so you feel like characters are allowed to die, but are not afraid they're going to blow up around every corner, that could work.
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People are never going to agree about whether a given death was gratuitous or not.
Here is where it begins to become clear that this series will be harder for a lot of fans to swallow than the Abrams movies were. Those films accepted Trek's old-fashioned storytelling limits pretty much as a whole, and then amped up the visual detail and the action. These producers apparently mean to drag the whole thing into the modern world, narratively speaking, as much as they can.
Here is where it begins to become clear that this series will be harder for a lot of fans to swallow than the Abrams movies were. Those films accepted Trek's old-fashioned storytelling limits pretty much as a whole, and then amped up the visual detail and the action. These producers apparently mean to drag the whole thing into the modern world, narratively speaking, as much as they can.
Kicking and screaming all the way, of course.
Also it would help if death is treated like something important and not something to be shrugged off.
For all that people say GRRM and Game of Thrones kill off lots of characters, they only kill a handful of main viewpoint characters, and every time it has been with quite a bunch of buildup and for reasons that fit the plot. (Well, okay, Season 6 was a bit of a mess as they got further from the books and realized they had to cut plots that weren't working.) It's also clear there are several main characters who are fan and author favorites who have solid plot armor. No one believed Jon Snow was going to stay dead for the last ten or however many years its been since a book was actually published. Likewise I doubt Burnham is going to die permanently.
To be fair the only reason people thought Jon Snow wasn't going to stay dead was Millisandre's involvement.
I would hate being saddled with writing for his character. What are you going to do? Have him walk up to some other character every episode and say, "It's been nice knowing you"? That's boring. Or you could have him be wrong most of the time, as a lame form of comic relief.
Best to have him look up in the second episode and say, "Oh, shit! It's me!" just before he gets vaporised.
I'm glad Discovery is taking this approach, Star Trek characters are in dangerous situation often and main characters are always save (unless the actor wants to leave), after hundreds of episodes it really is a bit ridiculous if consoles always explode in the faces of extras or phasers always miss the main characters but hit the random security guy right in the chest.
Remember the Ensign Ricky joke from Family Guy? The reason it's funny is because Star Trek really did that all the time on all shows. If there's a random starfleet officer on the transporter platform next to all the main characters you already know who's not going to make it back.
On the other hand if Quark, Rom, Jake, Leeta and Keiko had a spoon and some bubble gum to fight a bunch of Jem Hadar the Jem Hadar would be dead by the end of the episode.
Seriously, who made it to the one surviving escape pod from the Valiant? Could it be Jake and Nog? What suspense ... except not.
Remember the Ensign Ricky joke from Family Guy? The reason it's funny is because Star Trek really did that all the time on all shows. If there's a random starfleet officer on the transporter platform next to all the main characters you already know who's not going to make it back.
On the other hand if Quark, Rom, Jake, Leeta and Keiko had a spoon and some bubble gum to fight a bunch of Jem Hadar the Jem Hadar would be dead by the end of the episode.
Seriously, who made it to the one surviving escape pod from the Valiant? Could it be Jake and Nog? What suspense ... except not.
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