The Constantinople franchise had a real awakening in 1930.
Evidence of SNW being a possible alternate timeline from TOS
Bingo.
Not to mention we've already seen a rebooted TOS crew on the big screen. We're also seeing the same characters on SNW. Enough already.
Just don't launch DS9 until TNG is off the air. Keep the "previous show makes movies while new show is on TV" going with TNG and DS9, then DS9 and Voyager, etc. You split the fanbase less if you don't have rival shows on at the same time. The only problem is DS9 isn't as good if the higher ups are paying more attention to it.
Totally agree Ichab. Im so tired of Kirk and the rest being recast. Time to move on. They did it in the 80s and they can do it again. Im so glad year one did not get picked up. I've had enough.
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Personally it is imperative that I know what "canonically" happened at every point in the five year mission.
I require an immediate new series, spearheaded by Terry "The Legend" Matalas, where every episode shows what happened between episodes of TOS. Like the first episode will show what happened in the gap between "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X", and the rest of the show goes sequentially from there.
Naturally we will learn that, in the gap between "Balance of Terror" and "Shore Leave", Kirk encountered the Borg (who have formed a dark alliance with the Xindi) and had to team up with Worf (who was sent back in time by The Traveller, and commands his own ship, the USS Hoshi Sato) to blow them to hell using the titular device from "The Slaver Weapon" (which is then "classified top secret", explaining why Spock "pretends" to not have seen it before in the subsequent TAS episode). This will enrich Star Trek like never before.
I require an immediate new series, spearheaded by Terry "The Legend" Matalas, where every episode shows what happened between episodes of TOS. Like the first episode will show what happened in the gap between "The Man Trap" and "Charlie X", and the rest of the show goes sequentially from there.
Naturally we will learn that, in the gap between "Balance of Terror" and "Shore Leave", Kirk encountered the Borg (who have formed a dark alliance with the Xindi) and had to team up with Worf (who was sent back in time by The Traveller, and commands his own ship, the USS Hoshi Sato) to blow them to hell using the titular device from "The Slaver Weapon" (which is then "classified top secret", explaining why Spock "pretends" to not have seen it before in the subsequent TAS episode). This will enrich Star Trek like never before.
The reason we keep going back to TOS reboots and recasts of Kirk and Spock is because that's what sells. Even today, TOS merchandise is the top selling of all Trek merchandise. It's why the novels still continue to prioritize TOS novels over all others. The highest grossing post-TOS Trek movie was Trek XI. If the decision makers at Paramount are faced with a reboot of the best selling part of the franchise or taking a gamble on something new, which do you think they're going to go for? I mean, really?
It’s also a far different landscape for media in 2026 than it was in 1987. Audiences (and content producers) are far less patient than they were 40 years ago. Like I, and others, have said, they’re going to go with the winning formula. Which is why you have Discovery with Spock’s sister, you have a continuation of Picard’s story, you have an animated series that is set largely around references to previous series, you have continuation of many Voyager characters in another animated series, you have a lead up to Kirk’s story and you have a series that’s brought in a timeless character.
Nostalgia is taking the stage because nostalgia is what sells. And yes, TOS is the most visible series for nostalgia’s sake, followed closely behind by TNG and then Voyager. Anytime the producers try to throw something new at the franchise, the die hards whine because it’s too far away from the Trek they know. Then when they come back to the familiar, they whine because it’s retreading old water. You can’t have it both ways.
Again, I’d love to see Star Trek veer off into a completely new direction. But I don’t see that working out because it won’t be enough for some Trek fans, who really only want one thing: familiarity.
Nostalgia is taking the stage because nostalgia is what sells. And yes, TOS is the most visible series for nostalgia’s sake, followed closely behind by TNG and then Voyager. Anytime the producers try to throw something new at the franchise, the die hards whine because it’s too far away from the Trek they know. Then when they come back to the familiar, they whine because it’s retreading old water. You can’t have it both ways.
Again, I’d love to see Star Trek veer off into a completely new direction. But I don’t see that working out because it won’t be enough for some Trek fans, who really only want one thing: familiarity.
That's none of our business.
If they go for another kirk reboot it will kill the franchise for good. Geez even a series about Pike couldn't resist bringing Kirk in on the first seasons and back multiple times since. Scotty introduced in the second season. So now we have Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Uhura and Chapel. All major characters inbthe show. Pike is even getting less time on the show. Its honestly nearly year one already. All are seasoned. Kirk looks like his on his 40s when he should have been in his 20s.
They are going a completely different route anyway.
What would you like, Tron? I’m asking honestly because I’m curious.
It was a far different landscape in the 80s than it was in the 60s.
That's a poor excuse for laziness.
No intelligent producer of entertainment makes their decisions based on youtubers. Only internet lifers care about that garbage. Get real.
Nostalgia has taken the stage due to lack of creativity. People arent complaining because the new stuff is different. They are complaining because the new stuff is mostly bad.
I also see no evidence that Trek nostalgia sells. There hasn't been a new Kelvin movie in ten years since the last one lost money. So Im not seeing this successful nostalgia selling that you keep bringing up. All I see is old characters being shoehorned into series from desperate writers who lack originality.
That's a bit of a false dichotomy, it's not like the only two options for writing a new instalment in a fictional universe like this one are to either render it deliberately unrecognisable or to maroon it in an infinite echoing hall of callbacks.
With Star Trek it's already been done hugely successfully with TNG and then with far more modest success in DS9 and Voyager.
Brand new crew. No links to any previous ones. No call backs to previous crews. Just a fresh new crew exploring space. A new ship. Not the enterprise. Actual deep space exploration. I want it to fee like they are on their own out there in deep space.
Why do we keep falling back on examples of media from the 1990s?
That feels a lot like you projecting there. I couldn’t give two shits about what YouTubers say. I didn’t suggest that. I’m basing it on my own eyes.
As stated above from someone else, books and merchandise veer heavily towards TOS and TNG, primarily TOS.
I do not disagree with you there.
As I keep saying, I would love to see Star Trek completely move into a new area with fresh storytelling. I’ve also said, while I’ve enjoyed the new series for the most part, I admit that there are flaws, including relying too much on nostalgia. I also question whether or not this will happen, whether this is because of lazy writers or the nostalgia-based media landscape of today.
Look at the Avengers: Doomsday trailer that came out this morning, focusing largely on the Fox X-Men and Downey Jr., Hemsworth and Evans being the major driving point.
Why? Because nostalgia sells. And it works. I am both excited and annoyed by what I’m seeing from that movie.
At the end of the day, I think we want the same thing. We just have different reasons.
Another Kirk and Spock reboot is worryingly reductive at a time when you're only just seeing the end of the last Kirk and Spock.
It could be better to try and get a Year One movie out with a TWOK style budget, but at the same time attempt to develop a totally new crew 50+ years after the TNG era.
Since Kirk and Spock are apparently evergreen, it's not like you can't try another reboot 10 years from now if nothing else works out.
It could be better to try and get a Year One movie out with a TWOK style budget, but at the same time attempt to develop a totally new crew 50+ years after the TNG era.
Since Kirk and Spock are apparently evergreen, it's not like you can't try another reboot 10 years from now if nothing else works out.
Because TNG is a clear example of Star Trek already having done a successful new series that had no real connection to what came before it, but which still felt recognisable as Star Trek in a way that resulted in many fans eventually getting on board with it - and, crucially, which generated its own enormous new fanbase in a way that none of the streaming series have done.
The dichotomy you were presenting seemed to be "new and unrecognisable" or "callback hell", when the second most important series in the show's history didn't fit into either of those categories.
I’d love to see what you suggest happen again. I’m not convinced in this day and age of franchise-filled, focus group led media that it can.
Yeah it'd definitely be the ultimate gamble for a studio like Paramount after all that's happened over the last 15~ years. I suppose the question is whether or not the situation we've ended up in was born of organic reaction to audience demand, or was an artificial top-down decision made by media companies that's now started to backfire in many cases.
It’s probably a little of both, really. I mean, I get it. When you’re pouring millions of dollars into a production, you’re going to go for what’s safe. What you know will make money. I would love to see the return of lower budget creative studio productions. But that’s largely in more independent studios’ purview these days. The other night I watched both Ready or Not movies. I thought they were extremely creative (the second being a little more bogged down in getting bigger names in there). Those were done by Searchlight Pictures. But they’re not franchise-related productions.
And I don’t know, maybe the tide is changing with more audiences being annoyed with franchises. But they have to start voting with their wallets and not going to bigger franchise-based movies. That’s going to be a harder habit to break.
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