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In the DS-9 EP "For the Uniform" after Sisko explodes those warheads above the Federation planet, causing the Federation people living there to be in mortal danger without getting permission from Star Fleet Command, was he ever disciplined. I mean something like that cannot go unnoticed. Or was it one of those Ep's that come and go without any further commentary.

Resistance is Futile
 
The inhabitants of the planet were Maquis, not Federation. They also evacuated in time before the trilithium resin affected them.
 
Sisko's actions were no worst than the police tossing in tear gas to get criminals (like the maquis) to come out of a building. He gave them abundant notice, and knew ahead of time they possessed the means to leave. In the end a major maquis leader was captured.

The Federation and Starfleet likely gave Sisko a commendation.

:)
 
Sorry, poisoning an entire biosphere is alittle more than tear gas. Sisko should have been severely reprimanded if not busted down.
 
I doubt he would have been busted or received any major punishment as he was doing his job bringing Maquis in who The Federation wanted badly, due to the war starting up and the content problems the Cardies were giving them. It wasn't the most ethical decision, but nobody was hurt.

And yes, it was like throwing tear gas. The Maquis had ample warning and ability to evacuate in time and it was the only way Sisko could have brought them in.
 
The Maquis had time to leave the planet. The Cardassians took it over.

The planet the Maquis attacked, they got to keep.

The balance of power & territory was maintained, and Sisko got to bring Eddington into custody.

Sisko may have gotten a slap on the wrists by the admirality, but that was probably it, considerin' he was still in command of the station.
 
The inhabitants of the planet were Maquis, not Federation. They also evacuated in time before the trilithium resin affected them.

I was under the impression that the planet in question was inhabited by Federation citizens. The Maquis was a outlaw
organization and they would have been arrested if they were just on some planet hanging out. In the first scene when Sisko goes to meet a double agent, Mr Eddington shows Sisko that the people at the compound were just average Federation Citizens, not criminals as the Maquis were.
 
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As explained in almost every episode since the Maquis were developed, they used to be Federation citizens, but they all gave up their status as Federation citizens when they refused to leave the DMZ.
 
I was under the impression that the planet in question was inhabited by Federation citizens.
The maquis were using the planet as a kind of "hide out" for their little criminal organization with the cute name.

The people you saw were maquis, although more in the camp follower/supporters category. They're all from colony planets that eventually were on the Cardassian side of the boarder once it was figured out where the boarder would be. Instead of going to/returning to the Federation, they ...

At this point I have to stop, because no matter how many times people here explain it, I still don't understand how the maquis realistically thought they are getting their old homes/settlements back.

Yes, I understand what they're fighting for, but not how in the end it's supposed to work.

poisoning an entire biosphere is a little more than tear gas
What Sisko used would make the planet uninhabitable for Humans for fifty years, from our perspective in the year 2011, the "gassing" of the planet was fourteen years ago, and the planet will be free of the effects in another thirty-six years.

Nothing permanent happened. Sisko mission was a success. The whole affair probably looked pretty good on Sisko's service record..

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For the Uniform's ending made no sense to me. I mean Sisko just assumed the people on those planets had ships to escape from. But what if they didn't? Then they would die horribly, and Sisko would have committed genocide. Come on now, he endangered thousands of lives, and he should have been court martialled for massive violations of Starfleet laws, Prime Directive and God knows what else.

That's why I don't like For the Uniform as the ending shows Sisko so out of character it's unbelievable. And then at the end we have Jadzia smiling and talking to Sisko about how she likes it when the 'bad guy wins'. Unbelievable doesn't she know that if things went wrong Sisko could have killed thousands of people? But does she even think about that? Doesn't seem to; what was she on?
 
And heck, how could they be so sure that even with transports that everyone would be evacuated in time and no one got left behind?
 
The inhabitants of the planet were Maquis, not Federation. They also evacuated in time before the trilithium resin affected them.
Both of these claims are dubious.

"For the Uniform" is the first time anybody refers to the concept of "Maquis planets". Until then, the Maquis had been a paramilitary organization operating on several locations, including planets in the Demilitarized Zone, planets in regular UFP space, planets in neutral space, locations in Bajoran space, and apparently (VOY, esp. "Non Sequitur") even Earth. By that definition, Sisko would have been justified in bombarding Earth!

But let's assume for assumption's sake that every child and cripple and pet rodent on that planet was a fiery-hearted Maquis terrorist. Sisko meets Eddington in space and says he is going to bombard the planet with a few kilograms of a highly poisonous chemical. Eddington does not believe him, and the odds that he would have relayed Sisko's threat down to the planet are slim; Sisko himself certainly did not contact the planet, and only traded threats with Eddington. Sisko then fires the poison torps anyway. And sure enough, within minutes or less, people down below begin evacuating. Why? Surely not because they had advance warning (because they had none). Surely not because some atmospheric researcher somewhere on the planet (do fiery-hearted Maquis terrorists have those?) saw a needle twitch on her instrument for detecting extremely rare poisons (because who listens to people in lab coats, much less understands what they are talking about?). Surely not because dense clouds of evil-looking substance blocked the sun (because the torpedoes only carried a handful of the substance, not enough to create visible clouds). Virtually the only possible explanation for these hardy settlers and merciless combatants to uproot themselves in a matter of minutes is if people around them began to die in horrible convulsions. Not cough and turn slightly greenish, but die, and die horribly. Otherwise, these people would just stiffen their upper lips with a hypospray, batten down the hatches, and wait for their ringleaders to inform them how to best fight back.

When a planetwide evacuation is inspired by people dropping dead, it's guaranteed to fail. If these Maquis terrorist grannies and murderer babies all carried TAS style life support belts or Israeli style gas masks every day, every hour of their normal lives, then it's possible that relatively many of them would make it to the evacuation ships (which a Maquis terrorist fugitive planet might indeed have for 100% of the population, even if no other semi-stable colony would conceivably have the reason to prepare that way). If no portable personal life support was available, the evacuation would become less and less efficient by the minute, and mortality would surely approach 90% at the very least.

As explained in almost every episode since the Maquis were developed, they used to be Federation citizens, but they all gave up their status as Federation citizens when they refused to leave the DMZ.
Umm, nope.

In TNG "Journey's End", a single planet in would-be Cardassian space (not the DMZ, which wasn't even on any drawing boards yet, but Cardassian space) decided to abandon UFP membership in favor of Cardassian Union membership; every citizen there became a Cardassian citizen. In the later and more or less simultaneous TNG "Preemptive Strike" and DS9 "The Maquis", a DMZ had been formed, and consisted of UFP planets and Cardassian planets, all of them respecting their native law but in addition agreeing not to host any sort of a military force. There was no mention of neutral planets or third-party planets there whatsoever.

In "For the Cause", when Eddington defected for good, he said the Maquis had left the UFP.

"Starships chase us through the Badlands and our supporters are harassed and ridiculed. Why? Because we've left the Federation, and that's the one thing you can't accept."
However, in "Blaze of Glory", Eddington (observing the carnage of the last remaining Maquis) lamented that the Maquis were only considering declaring themselves (that is, entire planets of theirs) independent from the UFP when the Dominion came and wiped them out.

"We were winning. The Cardassian Empire was falling into chaos. The Maquis colonies were going to declare themselves an independent nation."

Apparently, then, Eddington in "For the Cause" is only saying that the Maquis criminals have left the Federation, not that their "supporters" (the expression he uses, apparently referring to the colonists whose hospitality they exploited) would have left.

That means that everybody on the Maquis planets, including the criminals and their noncriminal supporters, was subject to UFP law and respectively deserving of UFP protection. Staying in the DMZ would not remove UFP protection nor the obligation to observe UFP law to the hilt. Becoming a Maquis terrorist would. (That is, a criminal would of course not obey the law - but he would still have rights within the UFP legal system).

Timo Saloniemi
 
Sisko would have committed genocide [snip] Sisko could have killed thousands of people
Killing thousands of people can be many different things, genocide isn't one of them. It doesn't rise to that scale.

Sisko just assumed the people on those planets had ships to escape
Dax was able to see the transports easily from orbit with the Defiant's sensors.

"For the Uniform" is the first time anybody refers to the concept of "Maquis planets".
The reference is "maquis colony."

Sisko would have been justified in bombarding Earth
The maquis were the only Humanoid presence on Solosos Three, that wouldn't have been the case with Earth.

Eddington does not believe him, and the odds that he would have relayed Sisko's threat down to the planet are slim
Eddington relaying a message was un-necessary, Sisko communicated directly with the people on Solosoa Three one hour before he launched the two torpedoes. He told the maquis there (not just Eddington) exactly what he was going to did, why (the Maquis's use of biogenic weapons), and recommended they ready themselves for evacuation.

Sisko himself certainly did not contact the planet
Sure he did, "To all the members of the Maquis resistance."

people down below begin evacuating. Why? Surely not because they had advance warning (because they had none)
Sure there was, a full hours worth, with lot's of details. No surprises.

Surely not because dense clouds of evil-looking substance blocked the sun
The resin turn the atmosphere a very noticeable shade of yellow, combined with the abundance of advanced warning that Sisko gave them, more than enough reason to evacuate.

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Killing thousands of people can be many different things, genocide isn't one of them. It doesn't rise to that scale.
It's close enough, if the genus in question is Homo maquis.

Dax was able to see the transports easily from orbit with the Defiant's sensors.
And it is indeed plausible that the Maquis had hideout planets, not "true" colonies but worlds settled only because they were distant and indistinct enough that neither the UFP nor the CU would come bother the Maquis there. If this was one of such planets, and Sisko had good intelligence on its existence, then it's also plausible the Maquis there knew Starfleet might have the intelligence - and they would stockpile in escape vessels for just this reason. (Them getting extra ships in the hour or so before Sisko arrived is a bit less plausible, but might have contributed.)

The maquis were the only Humanoid presence on Solosos Three, that wouldn't have been the case with Earth.
See, that's the implausible part. Only a few percent of the inhabitants would probably have been actual Maquis criminals. The rest would have been no more guilty of any crime than the average Earthling.

Of course, Starfleet might well approve of the killing of innocents to get the culprits, up to a 1000:1 ratio (which would probably apply to any world that truly was "colonized" instead of being a mere hideout). After all, that was Allied doctrine in WWII...

Sure he did, "To all the members of the Maquis resistance."
Oops. There goes my argument! In which case it's quite plausible that the death toll would have been minimal. That is, Eddington might well have had death squads on the planet keeping the citizens away from the evacuation vessels, but once he himself abandoned the planet to go and have a chat with Sisko, the citizens might well prevail.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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