Events that should not have taken place in Generations
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Re Kirk and the Nexus,
The novelization handled this very well and was much improved over the movie. But i agree with the above - from a purely selfish fan point of view, i'd rather seen Kirk back in the original TOS Enterprise... that would have made the movie. (or at least made the movie better).
The novelization handled this very well and was much improved over the movie. But i agree with the above - from a purely selfish fan point of view, i'd rather seen Kirk back in the original TOS Enterprise... that would have made the movie. (or at least made the movie better).
All Good Things... should have been Generations!
Yes, exactly.
So she went to Earth, left, went back to her homeworld, then went back toward Earth fleeing the Borg.
My viewing of that TNG episode seemed to me that she was a refugee when we saw her in 1893.
I just think the producers forgot...
Yes, exactly.
So she went to Earth, left, went back to her homeworld, then went back toward Earth fleeing the Borg.
My viewing of that TNG episode seemed to me that she was a refugee when we saw her in 1893.
I just think the producers forgot...
That's why Guinan said to data "Listen, if my father sent you tell him I'm not ready to go home yet..." or something to that effect.
A "Q tribunal" if you will with Triliian as the prosecutor or however you spell his name from TOS in there... And an appearance by Garry Mitchel as the Q Defense attorney with Q as the judge...
Would have been interesting.
.... Because the two events took place centuries apart.
Yes, exactly.
So she went to Earth, left, went back to her homeworld, then went back toward Earth fleeing the Borg.
My viewing of that TNG episode seemed to me that she was a refugee when we saw her in 1893.
I just think the producers forgot...
That's why Guinan said to data "Listen, if my father sent you tell him I'm not ready to go home yet..." or something to that effect.
Exactly. She was visiting Earth.
And it makes sense that she'd leave Earth and head back over the course of centuries. Maybe she "Summered" on Earth?
And in Generations the entire remains of her race were headed towards Earth, not just Guinan.
I'd hesitate with claiming quite that much. A bunch of unidentified El-Aurians were fleeing in the two Federation ships that also had Guinan and Soran aboard. Probably several other bunches headed in several other directions, and ended up setting shop elsewhere.
Since in "Dark Frontier", the Borg Queen seemed to want to hunt down every last member of the species targeted at the time by planetwide assimilation, we might speculate that the Borg attacked the Federation chiefly in order to hunt down the last El-Aurians! (Then again, the Queen could have been faking her interest in order to test Seven's motivations, and it is not standard Borg procedure at all to hunt down survivors.)
Timo Saloniemi
well, i think you are all of you missing the biggest and largest hole in the whole film and its glaringly bizzare to me personally.
Picard wished himself to be at the location of the battle with soron; from inside the nexus. Thus, the second battle is just a nexxus sponsored phantasm. Thus, the entire rest of the movie is actually a nexxus sponsored
phantasm.
Picard is still inside the nexxus, kirk is alive; inside the nexxus, and the only
reason kirk seemed to die was his force of attention gave out and he moved
on to some OTHER nexxus sponsored phantasm. So from picards pov kirk died but from kirks pov he just went to some other nexxus sponsored illusion.
Frankly, i hated this movie from top to bottom. Its got more plot holes
than the entire rest of the movie franchise combined.
I'd rather pretend it never happened.
And lets face it; they destroyed the D because they wanted to make a new kewler E. They gave data emotions because they thought that would be amusing and it was- but it ruined his character so bad that they had to kill him off in the very next movie and replace him with himself. I mean???
WTF?
Halfway through this film, i nearly walked out of the theater. I DID NOT see it twice, like I see most of them twice.
(and 3 and 4 times with the better ones.)
Picard wished himself to be at the location of the battle with soron; from inside the nexus. Thus, the second battle is just a nexxus sponsored phantasm. Thus, the entire rest of the movie is actually a nexxus sponsored
phantasm.
Picard is still inside the nexxus, kirk is alive; inside the nexxus, and the only
reason kirk seemed to die was his force of attention gave out and he moved
on to some OTHER nexxus sponsored phantasm. So from picards pov kirk died but from kirks pov he just went to some other nexxus sponsored illusion.
Frankly, i hated this movie from top to bottom. Its got more plot holes
than the entire rest of the movie franchise combined.
I'd rather pretend it never happened.
And lets face it; they destroyed the D because they wanted to make a new kewler E. They gave data emotions because they thought that would be amusing and it was- but it ruined his character so bad that they had to kill him off in the very next movie and replace him with himself. I mean???
WTF?
Halfway through this film, i nearly walked out of the theater. I DID NOT see it twice, like I see most of them twice.
(and 3 and 4 times with the better ones.)
Oh, I thought this was what TNG was all about, really - perhaps amounting to the oft-voiced critique that it wasn't "cinematic" enough, but felt like a big-budget episode...
For example, getting rid of the E-D, for whatever reason, was a nice counterpoint to the over-emotional farewell to the E-nil in ST3, a real TNG vs TOS moment. Picard never "loved" his ship, or other pieces of hardware - he valued basically anything and everything over dead cold metal. Plenty of letters left in the alphabet, as he later put it.
Timo Saloniemi
For example, getting rid of the E-D, for whatever reason, was a nice counterpoint to the over-emotional farewell to the E-nil in ST3, a real TNG vs TOS moment. Picard never "loved" his ship, or other pieces of hardware - he valued basically anything and everything over dead cold metal. Plenty of letters left in the alphabet, as he later put it.
Timo Saloniemi
Well, apart from the fact that Data doesn't die in the "very next" movie (or even the one after that), I pretty much agree with all of this. One of my biggest complaints about Generations is the number of things that happened "because it would look cool," rather than because the story's demands or internal storytelling logic provided for them. Actually, that's probably my only complaint about Generations - it's just that this one complaint has so many examples!
Yes, exactly.
So she went to Earth, left, went back to her homeworld, then went back toward Earth fleeing the Borg.
My viewing of that TNG episode seemed to me that she was a refugee when we saw her in 1893.
I just think the producers forgot...
I thought she was avoiding her father.
What ruins this scene for me is, well, my own behavior. As soon as Geordi says "we have 5 minutes to a warp core breach, there's nothing I can do" I start saying "eject the core" as many times as I can.
I mean, jeez. Give it a try, LaForge. Guy was such a yutz.
Edith is by far the fan choice for the great love of Kirk's life, but we've seen, as many people do, that Kirk had more than one lost love (Ruth, Janice Lester, Carol Marcus, etc.).
The problem that I had with Antonia is that she isn't seen on camera except as a figure in the distance within a Nexus fantasy. If we'd at least gotten one scene with her and seen how she interacts with Kirk, then we might've understood why, at this point in his life, did Jim choose to spend his Nexus life with her.
There is no connection between Kirk and Antonia in the movie other than what's stated in dialogue. Hence, there is no connection between the auidence and Antonia. She just functions for the story and not for the character of Kirk in our minds because of that.
Well, apart from the fact that Data doesn't die in the "very next" movie (or even the one after that), I pretty much agree with all of this. One of my biggest complaints about Generations is the number of things that happened "because it would look cool," rather than because the story's demands or internal storytelling logic provided for them. Actually, that's probably my only complaint about Generations - it's just that this one complaint has so many examples!
Personally, I would have been quite happy discarding the entire 'emotion chip' subplot, as it was pretty hammy and distracting from the main narrative...
Personally (I know, it's easy to armchair direct well after the fact), I would have waited until First Contact, where I would have had the Borg Queen give Data genuine emotions as part of her seduction/reverse assimilation of him... I think that would have helped out both movies, plotwise, as I never really liked Data-with-emotions constantly being played for comedy in those two films...
Wasn't it also because the sets were being destroyed so the Voyager sets could be built?
Possibly, but they could've easily rebuilt the -D sets in future movies for the purpose of the movie. That's why things like swingsets and other studios exsist.
