Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.
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Of course. It's the whole reason that Khan "never forgets" Chekov's face in Wrath of Khan.
I doubt it. Fuller says it was mentioned on TOS so how could it be redacted/covered up?
Yeah, but, we already got tons of pills to take for prostate and bladder stuff. Did Khan pee on himself or something? I'm not sure I saw that.
Except that didn't happen 10 years prior to Kirk's first 5 year mission. It happened during Kirk's command.
To engage with that part of the timeline. Which does not require the threat of mutually assured destruction. Take a look at 'The Americans' for an incredible story set in (and perfectly capturing the tension of) a cold war, despite everyone knowing the ending.
The soviet union existed on Dec 24, 1991. On Dec. 25, 1991, it didn't. There was lots of build up, and after effects, but even a change that is a hundred years in the making will happen at some specific point, so the claim 'it's only ten years' is completely meaningless. It's entirely possible for something to change literally overnight.
Secondly, these specific examples are governmental shifts, it's true, but there are also examples from real life of entire peoples that used to exist and now don't. We didn't invent the word 'genocide' just for giggles.
But none of these kinds of examples are even the most relevant, because your basic assumption that a race should automatically maintain the same basic public profile throughout time is total nonsense. France was a world power - its influence felt across the globe - until it wasn't anymore. A hundred years after defeating the most powerful empire in the world, the Netherlands was a weak, inconsequential place too wracked with turmoil to have any global influence at all. Entire Mayan cities were completely abandoned by their people in the space of less than a century. Japan's response to first contact with Europeans was to use their more advanced firearms in a civil war (after failing to conquer Korea) and then invoke near total isolationism for 200 years. History is full of unexpected migrations, disasters, reversals of fortune, population decline, influence decline and even simple refusal to deal with the outside world.
And all of that is on this one tiny planet where people can barely even get away from each other. Extrapolate this up to the interstellar level and there is simply no reason at all why any particular race would ever need to have been seen or mentioned even once in the previous shows. Nor is there any need whatsoever to explain why any potential new race wasn't mentioned before.
I'm happy to agree to disagree about what aspects are most important, or to what extent any prequel 'needs' to engage with specific events.
But, for the record, the claim that new races can't be introduced because we 'should have' seen them before IS in the realm of fact, and it's completely false.
Why couldn't there have been a short war with the Klingons in 2253ish? What canon evidence precludes this?
Its significance or what really happened was redacted. So, instead of being the major crisis it really was, Federation history writes it off as a minor blip.
Or maybe he's just blowing smoke. Heck, maybe it's a forgotten incident in somebody's display screen.
They were rebuilding their society since the Romulan attack in the 2150's, so the Federation (and other parties) have likely been dealing with the planets issues for decades by the time of Journey to Babel.
I'm betting it's the Klingons again. Whatever the precise timeline, the dates roughly fit the era we're talking about for Discovery. Not to mention, we already know there's a Klingon admiral being cast. Could easily be the escalation of tensions between the Federation and the Klingons. It also fits with the rather Klingon sounding music on the teaser trailer.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Human-Klingon_history
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Human-Klingon_history
What limit? Just make up a new race. It's not that hard. The Discovery meets the Newspecians and they don't get along. So they have an arc about the UFP and the Newspecians adversarial relationship, Maybe it last the whole series. Maybe towards the end they make nice and the Newspecians join the UFP. (to keep the folks who care about canon/continuiry happy)
The thing is, Kirk and his pal Timothy were on it, too. And yet in TOS, Kirk knows squat about Vulcans or Vulcan(ia).
I'd much rather the event involved some imperialistic highhandedness towards 'em Vulcanians than actual mingling and joint heroics with the brave and logical species, then.
The show is set a decade before TOS. There's nothing to say the event would be set a decade before TOS, though. Our STD heroes just need to deal with the consequences of that event in the 2250s timeframe (and possibly on various later eras if the era-hopping format is what this show is all about).
Nothing much AFAIK. Kirk personally may or may not have fought Klingons in a hot war - even the thematically highly specific "Errand of Mercy" remains ambiguous on this. OTOH, as we learned from TNG, there can be hot wars in which our specific heroes do not partake; Starfleet seems to be in constant conflict with at least one other player and oftentimes several, and no doubt would have collapsed already if not for the ability to handle half a dozen wars at a time - meaning that in those rare times when there are only two wars going on, two thirds of the fleet can concentrate on exploration...
Timo Saloniemi
Doesn't that prove that the Vulcanian Expedition wasn't on Vulcan?
Anyway, I'm betting the "event" has to do with Klingons.
Just a joke that Walter Koenig came up with for why Khan knew Chekov, back during "Space Seed" he was some low level crewmen who made Khan wait in line for the bathroom.
"But you... I never forget a face."
Almost certainly.
You're correct, they could introduce a major new alien species that disrupt the power dynamics in the region on an ongoing basis, but it won't ring true.
Mr Awe
So it'll be just like when the Klingons or Cardassians appeared out of thin air and were never mentioned before despite an ongoing conflict.
Yet that's exactly what they did with both the Klingons and the Romulans originally. [Oops, ninja'ed by The Librarian.] Major adversaries appearing out of nowhere is how the appearing of major adversaries in Trek is supposed to happen.
Both adversaries also went on a hiatus - several times over. In this instance, we aren't speaking of a particularly long or significant hiatus, either, as the bits of the 23rd century that we saw "after" STD were really short: TOS/TAS and six blink-and-you-miss-them movies. Between those, there could be an ongoing threat of Newbems and Unknownites; after those, they could be major adversaries for the better part of a century before again needing to go on a hiatus. Which we know is, again, a standard modus operandi for major adversaries in Trek.
Not that I feel we need another adversary culture as such. Adversary individuals might be the more interesting way to go...
Timo Saloniemi
Both adversaries also went on a hiatus - several times over. In this instance, we aren't speaking of a particularly long or significant hiatus, either, as the bits of the 23rd century that we saw "after" STD were really short: TOS/TAS and six blink-and-you-miss-them movies. Between those, there could be an ongoing threat of Newbems and Unknownites; after those, they could be major adversaries for the better part of a century before again needing to go on a hiatus. Which we know is, again, a standard modus operandi for major adversaries in Trek.
Not that I feel we need another adversary culture as such. Adversary individuals might be the more interesting way to go...
Timo Saloniemi
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