Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.
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I thought he said ten years before the five year mission?
Bryan Fuller retweeted a tweet that seems to confirm the show takes place during a klingon/federation war https://twitter.com/screenjunkies/status/763543385932042240
The Federation and Klingons were in a cold war setting with skirmishes and proxy battles etc. I didn't think the two sides ever had a full scale war?
10 year's before Kirk took command of the Enterprise. Not his birth.
http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-years-before-kirk-took-command-of-enterprise
Agreed. Trek writers have a real hard on for the Klingons; I think they're a deeply clichéd warrior race trope. Now they may have originally been a founding example of this trope, but it is now tired. But given that there is potentially a Klingon main character I think we'd better suck it up. The Klingons are in this, and likely playing a big part.
I have no problem with the Klingons playing a major part in Discovery. But let's do something differently with them. Setting it in this era opens it up to the possibility of having a grudging peace between them joining forces for some mission. Its a lot more interesting than: Klingons at war!... Again... (Especially since its supposed to be a cold war.)
Nonsense. Magellan, Columbus, Lewis and Clark, or Apollo 11. Are you saying those weren't 'expeditions?'
I've never given much thought to what 'The Vulcanian Expedition' actually was, but given the nature of 23rd Century Vulcan I would put my money on something either ambassadorial, some form of disaster relief for a stricken planet/culture, or something purely scientific. The last thing I would expect it to be is a military venture.
As to the 'event' Fuller is talking about, all I can say at this point is this:
At the end of DS9, we had the Dominion War.
At the end of VOY, we had Janeway VS the Borg.
STVI: TOS heroes pitted against the Klingons.
STVII: Another action packed movie against a villain (Soran) and the Klingons.
ST Nemesis: Another action packed movie against a villain (Shinzon) and the Romulans
nu-Trek 1: Another action packed movie against a villain
nu-Trek 2: Another action packed movie against a villain
nu-Trek 3: Another action packed movie against a villain
As much as I love action and space battles, I'm getting tired of 'War Trek' vs 'Star Trek.' If each season of the new series is going to be a self contained, serialized episode, then I think it is HIGH TIME for a return to some form of exploration driven, looking inward at the human condition while looking outward at the unknown, going where no one has gone before sort of storyline. (Was that a run-on sentence?
) If nobody fired a phaser or raised the shields the entire first season, but I was left with a sense of wonder and such at the end of it, that would be perfectly okay by me.
I always thought the TNG episode 'First Contact' would have made a spectacular Trek mini-series. Same with a couple of early episodes from Enterprise dealing with less developed cultures. Since this is the format we're going with now, it should be totally possible to do stories like that without the crew having to fight or destroy the newly discovered civilization.
At the end of DS9, we had the Dominion War.
At the end of VOY, we had Janeway VS the Borg.
STVI: TOS heroes pitted against the Klingons.
STVII: Another action packed movie against a villain (Soran) and the Klingons.
ST Nemesis: Another action packed movie against a villain (Shinzon) and the Romulans
nu-Trek 1: Another action packed movie against a villain
nu-Trek 2: Another action packed movie against a villain
nu-Trek 3: Another action packed movie against a villain
As much as I love action and space battles, I'm getting tired of 'War Trek' vs 'Star Trek.' If each season of the new series is going to be a self contained, serialized episode, then I think it is HIGH TIME for a return to some form of exploration driven, looking inward at the human condition while looking outward at the unknown, going where no one has gone before sort of storyline. (Was that a run-on sentence?
) If nobody fired a phaser or raised the shields the entire first season, but I was left with a sense of wonder and such at the end of it, that would be perfectly okay by me.I always thought the TNG episode 'First Contact' would have made a spectacular Trek mini-series. Same with a couple of early episodes from Enterprise dealing with less developed cultures. Since this is the format we're going with now, it should be totally possible to do stories like that without the crew having to fight or destroy the newly discovered civilization.
I've been seeing any number of contradictory statements across all the threads, not helping clarify things like that. But someone quoted him as saying it was "close" to the Romulan War, and now he's saying it's ten years before 2263?
That's still 2160-2243, assuming the person who quoted him on the Romulan War remark got it right to start with.
This is why we needed a full on reboot.
TOS was an action/adventure series with some portents of an evolved society with exploration being present as well. I don't have a problem with action/adventure. I don't have a problem with shooting phasers. I think you need some of those moments because if its just exploration, people are going to tune out.
What I do have a problem with is the same old villain time and time again. The Klingons have remained THE baddy in Star Trek since 1966. Hell, even when the Klingons and the Federation were at peace, there were moments of conflict. I fully expect those moments of conflict to continue into Discovery. Let's just not make them THE baddy. That's all I'm saying.
What I do have a problem with is the same old villain time and time again. The Klingons have remained THE baddy in Star Trek since 1966. Hell, even when the Klingons and the Federation were at peace, there were moments of conflict. I fully expect those moments of conflict to continue into Discovery. Let's just not make them THE baddy. That's all I'm saying.
I'm pretty sure the 'close' comment was never intended to be in reference to the timeline. The romulan war was a guess that was 'close, but no cigar', which lends credibility to the idea of a Klingon war of some sort.
Nonsense. The British contribution to WWI was an expedition; so were its imperialistic designs on Egypt, Mesopotamia and India. Are you saying those weren't 'expeditions'?
The Vulcanian Expedition could be either sort. But since an expedition can be a military maneuver, and there's nothing to explore on Vulcan (or in other words, our TOS heroes still know nothing of Vulcan), the military sort sounds the likelier one.
As for 'Klingon War', the sneak peek at what will eventually be the Discovery shows a heavily and prominently armed vessel; Kirk's guns were invisible. The Discovery being all muscle would fit thematically.
Timo Saloniemi
My only two issues thus far, are going to the well again with the Klingons, and CBS All Access. Everything else sounds decent enough to me.
I'm not sure why you keep assuming that the name 'vulcanian' automatically means it must be an expedition to Vulcan. It could be to anywhere for anything. As long as it in someway involves the Vulcans in large enough numbers or an important enough role to justify naming it after them.
Exactly. An expedition is an organized journey for a particular purpose as of war or exploration. And Vulcanian doesn't necessarily mean on the planet Vulcan, only that Vulcans are somehow involved.
I guess if CBS wanted to put the final nail in that Axanar fan film's coffin, Discovery could depict a canon version of the events that vastly differs from that of the fan film. Discussion closed.
And, here's the problem with a prequel. If it's set during the cold war, any plots that attempt to deal with the tensions and possibility of a hot war emerging won't work because we'll know that it can't.
Of course, the series could avoid those types of plot lines, but why then bother setting the series in that specific time frame? It's the opposite of having your cake and eating it! You can either use the larger plot elements that the time frame offers but not build any real tension off of them, or you can avoid those plot elements that make the time frame interesting.
I do agree with those who say you can still have dramatic stories where the lives of the characters are uncertain. You just can't have game changers in the larger context. A continuation wouldn't have that restriction.
Mr Awe
This highlights another drawback of it being a prequel. The fact that this is set in that time frame really limits the potential number of major hostile alien races. Sure, you can have one-off stories with the alien villain of the week. But, in terms of species that regularly affect the power dynamic in the region, you're very limited in this time frame. It pretty much has to be the Klingons. So, it makes sense they have cast these characters.
A continuation would not have this restriction. We saw that as the franchise moved forward in time they added new adversarial species to keep things fresh: Ferengi, Borg, Cardassians, Dominion, etc.
Mr Awe
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