Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.
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Ah, but see, again... We saw the cloud creature in the episode. The language is very tricky here, but if it formed the spine of a story, IE we saw the thing being discussed, then it's likely not that thing. At least, that's the way i'm taking Fuller. It sounds like he was interested by something that was very briefly mused upon and then never followed up on.
Though maybe i'm wrong. Taking his words too literally. It's entirely possible that our new lead was on board the Farragut when the cloud attacked, and it acts as a character launching point. I could see something like that happening.
Things like Garth referencing Axanar fit the bill to what he said though, I feel. (It's not that specifically, but things of that sort which are referenced.)
Regarding Kodos...
First of all, Kirk was one of tens of thousands of survivors. He was not an important piece of history of that incident. Second, Kodos could not possibly have acted alone. He must have had accomplices. More, there must have been other survivors--thousands of them. There were only a few dozen who were witnesses to Kodos himself, but the colony itself had tens of thousands of people, roughly half of whom survived. Now, consider a word appropriate for this kind of event...
Holocaust.
Now consider the possibilities. A character among the first to arrive on Tarsus IV, haunted by what they saw still. Perhaps another character was also there, but had a different reaction altogether. Another survivor who lost family members (or an enemy). Perhaps someone who was "on staff" with the Governor, did nothing wrong, still living with the guilt. Or did something questionable, but was cleared. Think about all the literature and films surrounding our own Holocaust and the possibilities begin to pile up...
I'm not insisting, just pointing out the potential.
First of all, Kirk was one of tens of thousands of survivors. He was not an important piece of history of that incident. Second, Kodos could not possibly have acted alone. He must have had accomplices. More, there must have been other survivors--thousands of them. There were only a few dozen who were witnesses to Kodos himself, but the colony itself had tens of thousands of people, roughly half of whom survived. Now, consider a word appropriate for this kind of event...
Holocaust.
Now consider the possibilities. A character among the first to arrive on Tarsus IV, haunted by what they saw still. Perhaps another character was also there, but had a different reaction altogether. Another survivor who lost family members (or an enemy). Perhaps someone who was "on staff" with the Governor, did nothing wrong, still living with the guilt. Or did something questionable, but was cleared. Think about all the literature and films surrounding our own Holocaust and the possibilities begin to pile up...
I'm not insisting, just pointing out the potential.
Well yes. But they also specifically referenced "Whom Gods Would Destroy" which pretty conclusively sets it as something having to do with Garth of Izar, yes? Please correct me if I am wrong, but Axanar was early in Garth's career, was it not. A young Captain showing great tactical chops. What was the mission that drove him mad? The rescue mission that pushed him round the bend to the point where his crew had to oppose him? Might that not be what we are looking at here? A single novel like story where a Lt. Commander is the main lead? Maybe the senior officer that had to lead the mutiny against Garth in order to end his madness and prevent genocide?
The name of the ship is Discovery. The name of the show is Discovery. Do you guys think that exploration bears into the plot? If it does, then only the Vulcanian expedition has a connection.
Of the possibilities that have been tossed around, the Vulcanian Expedition sounds the most appealing to me. That sounds much more interesting than the Battle of Whatever. Perhaps a fleet of ships from various Federation cultures going on a long exploratory journey charted by the Vulcan Science Academy? That might explain why there are more aliens than we're accustomed to seeing. It also might explain why there are several Admirals involved. They could even have that Klingon captain menacing our heroes along the way.
Sounds like a good launching point for a series to me.
Sounds like a good launching point for a series to me.
Why? I still think it points back to Garth in some way. Prior to Kirk he was the record holder for exploration. Most systems mapped. Most planets explored etc etc.
The event will be the loss of the USS Kelvin twenty years ago. The Discovery's mission will be to find out what happened to her.
The event will be the loss of the USS Kelvin twenty years ago. The Discovery's mission will be to find out what happened to her.
That would be TOS. or close to it.
Original 5 year mission 2265-2270
V'ger 2273
A second 5 year mission would be 2273/74 to 2278/79
10 years prior would be 2263. This would be only 2 years before TOS.
Link?
I was following the live blog as the event was going on, and nobody said he ruled it out. He ruled out the Romulan War, not Axanar. Feel free to correct me though.
I'd be a bit disappointed if this wasn't what they go with now!
I don't think it'll be set during a war or framed over a key battle. That would be fairly conventional. I want a cool Star Trek story above all, not just generic space opera battles.
But an expedition is a military maneuver. And Vulcan is a known quantity by the time of STD. It doesn't appear as if there would remain anything to be discovered or explored on an expedition to Vulcan or Vulcania...
Indeed, Margaret Wander Bonnano's Strangers from the Sky postulates a punitive military expedition mounted by Earth to force Vulcan to finally contribute to the UFP military (and an irritating Vulcan response of equipping and launching the thoroughly pacifist Intrepid, a starship that never fires a shot on the behalf of the UFP).
Kirk in his youth might have seen the darker side of the Federation. And in his youth, he would have been in no position to do anything about it, meaning he would not be a central player in the events and wouldn't step on the toes of the STD heroes were they to undergo the same adventure.
Timo Saloniemi
http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-years-before-kirk-took-command-of-enterprise
Or http://trekmovie.com/2016/08/10/bre...e-tos-will-feature-female-lead-gay-character/
Now, either these articles are wrong and that's not what he said, or it's correct and the show is NOT set around Axanar.
Yes, I like this. It's not Axanar itself but the incident that drove him mad!
Mr Awe
That is not the meaning of expedition. For example, attempts to reach both north and south poles were called expeditions. So too the various efforts to find the source of the Nile.
Thanks to BillJ for pointing out my numbers error regarding the number of colonists on Tarsus IV.
This is my thinking as well. The event could have to do with the Vulcan/Romulan split, or The Preservers or the disappearance of the Horizon etc. Any mentioned incident is possible.
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