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Eugenics Wars.

Wasn't the model in Starling's office? Being that Chronowerx was the leader in computer technology at this time, it's conceivable that it could have been at least tangentially involved in the DY-100 secret project. It's not like everyone and their brother would wander through Starling's office, see the model, and start asking questions.

Actually, the model was in Rain Robinsons office.
http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x08/futuresend1_154.jpg

And not only that, there was a photograph of a launch as well.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/DY-100_class

Ah, misremembered where that appeared. I just watched Future's End recently too...
 
How many Eugenics Wars books were there? As far as I am aware of, there were the two Rise and Fall of KNS, followed by the To Reign In Hell book, so just the three, right?

Yes, just those three. And it's questionable if the third one counts as an EW book, as it takes place centuries later.


True story: At one point, I suggested naming the third book: THE EUGENICS WARS: Volume Three, rationalizing that the conflicts between the supermen on Ceti Alpha V constituted another round of "Eugenics Wars," but Ordover overruled me!

Probably just as well.

The Eugenics books themselves actually came very close to being titled KHAN: THE RISE AND FALL. I still have a mockup of a cover featuring that title.

In retrospect, that might have actually been a more commercial title. I can't remember why we ended up going with the EUGENICS WARS.

The original proposal was actually titled ASSIGNMENT: ARMAGEDDON, playing off ASSIGNMENT: EARTH. But Ordover wisely wanted a title that emphasized Khan more than Gary Seven.
 
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More title trivia. At one point, we were going to subtitle the third book "The Lost Years of Khan Noonien Singh," but it was feared it might be confused with the other "Lost Years" books coming out around that time. So we went with "The Exile of . . . ." instead.

Maybe I should have titled the trilogy "THE TITLE WARS!"
 
I think someone should add a poll asking whether the ENT's depiction of the Eugenics Wars and the novels' depiction of them can be safely reconciled.
 
Not necessarily. Cuba and North Korea outlasted the Soviet Union.

The USSR wasn't brought down by a mass civilian uprising/civil war

Oh?

I think someone should add a poll asking whether the ENT's depiction of the Eugenics Wars and the novels' depiction of them can be safely reconciled.

I certainly think it can be. The embryos at Cold Station 12 could just be left-over embryos from Project Chrysalis. And remember, The Eugenics Wars did not depict the wars as a strictly "secret" thing -- rather, it depicted them as events that were occurring and fairly well-known in their parts of the world (Khan was being protested against in India, for instance), but which were mostly ignored or seen as unconnected by the general American public.

This is similar to how, for instance, most Americans don't know that almost four million people died in the Second Congo War. It's no secret, but it doesn't register on most Americans' radar.
 
Read the Raven...very good, from VOY.

You must mean Golden's novel entitled simply Seven of Nine, which was a followup to the episode "The Raven." (And which covered much the same ground as the later episode "Infinite Regress" -- and arguably did it better.)

There you go...
That was a wonderfully told story, the touch of mystery was suspensfu and the character development spot on.

Now I did like Murdered Sun
but Homecoming was...bad....
and Dark Matters was mediocre
 
True story: At one point, I suggested naming the third book: THE EUGENICS WARS: Volume Three, rationalizing that the conflicts between the supermen on Ceti Alpha V constituted another round of "Eugenics Wars," but Ordover overruled me!

Probably just as well.

Yep. It offended my aesthetics enough that III was shorter than the other two. It would've driven me nuts if it explicitly said to be part of a matched set in the title. ;)
 
How many Eugenics Wars books were there? As far as I am aware of, there were the two Rise and Fall of KNS, followed by the To Reign In Hell book, so just the three, right?

Yes, just those three. And it's questionable if the third one counts as an EW book, as it takes place centuries later.


True story: At one point, I suggested naming the third book: THE EUGENICS WARS: Volume Three, rationalizing that the conflicts between the supermen on Ceti Alpha V constituted another round of "Eugenics Wars," but Ordover overruled me!

Probably just as well.

The Eugenics books themselves actually came very close to being titled KHAN: THE RISE AND FALL. I still have a mockup of a cover featuring that title.

In retrospect, that might have actually been a more commercial title. I can't remember why we ended up going with the EUGENICS WARS.

The original proposal was actually titled ASSIGNMENT: ARMAGEDDON, playing off ASSIGNMENT: EARTH. But Ordover wisely wanted a title that emphasized Khan more than Gary Seven.


Eugenic Wars was more original and its the title that beckons me when I go to the book store.
 
The Eugenics books themselves actually came very close to being titled KHAN: THE RISE AND FALL. I still have a mockup of a cover featuring that title.

In retrospect, that might have actually been a more commercial title. I can't remember why we ended up going with the EUGENICS WARS.

The original proposal was actually titled ASSIGNMENT: ARMAGEDDON, playing off ASSIGNMENT: EARTH. But Ordover wisely wanted a title that emphasized Khan more than Gary Seven.


Eugenic Wars was more original and its the title that beckons me when I go to the book store.[/QUOTE]


And this is why authors should not be allowed to title their own books!
 
What I find interesting is that the Enterprise crew in "Space Seed" express admiration for Khan and describe his reign as being relatively peaceful and benign, and note that there were no massacres under him. Yet the EW books show that there was significant conflict between Khan's forces and the civilian population, and that he did in fact have some insurgents killed. I don't think Kirk and co would've found that particularly admirable.
 
And this is why authors should not be allowed to title their own books!

I've titled every one of my books and stories to date with the exception of Mere Anarchy: The Darkness Drops Again, which was a theme title assigned by our editor KRAD. Although there have been several cases where my initial proposed title was rejected and I went back and forth with Marco until I thought of one we were both okay with. (Orion's Hounds was originally Spirit of the Hunt; Spider-Man: Drowned in Thunder was tentatively titled Lying Vanities; Places of Exile was tentatively titled The Other Side of the River, which I never liked anyway; and "As Others See Us" was originally "Duck Blinds," and came very close to being called "How Not to Be Seen.")


What I find interesting is that the Enterprise crew in "Space Seed" express admiration for Khan and describe his reign as being relatively peaceful and benign, and note that there were no massacres under him. Yet the EW books show that there was significant conflict between Khan's forces and the civilian population, and that he did in fact have some insurgents killed. I don't think Kirk and co would've found that particularly admirable.

Well, "relatively" is the key word. He was a dictator, but not nearly as bad as all the other eugenics supermen who conquered other parts of the world. And a massacre is an indiscriminate mass killing, a bloodbath (it comes from the French for "slaughterhouse"), so having "some insurgents" killed probably wouldn't be large-scale or indiscriminate enough to fit the definition.
 
I think it would be interesting if Pocket did a Tales of the Eugenics Wars short story anthology.
 
And this is why authors should not be allowed to title their own books!

I've titled every one of my books and stories to date with the exception of Mere Anarchy: The Darkness Drops Again, which was a theme title assigned by our editor KRAD. Although there have been several cases where my initial proposed title was rejected and I went back and forth with Marco until I thought of one we were both okay with. (Orion's Hounds was originally Spirit of the Hunt; Spider-Man: Drowned in Thunder was tentatively titled Lying Vanities; Places of Exile was tentatively titled The Other Side of the River, which I never liked anyway; and "As Others See Us" was originally "Duck Blinds," and came very close to being called "How Not to Be Seen.")


What I find interesting is that the Enterprise crew in "Space Seed" express admiration for Khan and describe his reign as being relatively peaceful and benign, and note that there were no massacres under him. Yet the EW books show that there was significant conflict between Khan's forces and the civilian population, and that he did in fact have some insurgents killed. I don't think Kirk and co would've found that particularly admirable.

Well, "relatively" is the key word. He was a dictator, but not nearly as bad as all the other eugenics supermen who conquered other parts of the world. And a massacre is an indiscriminate mass killing, a bloodbath (it comes from the French for "slaughterhouse"), so having "some insurgents" killed probably wouldn't be large-scale or indiscriminate enough to fit the definition.

The Eugenics books themselves actually came very close to being titled KHAN: THE RISE AND FALL. I still have a mockup of a cover featuring that title.

In retrospect, that might have actually been a more commercial title. I can't remember why we ended up going with the EUGENICS WARS.

The original proposal was actually titled ASSIGNMENT: ARMAGEDDON, playing off ASSIGNMENT: EARTH. But Ordover wisely wanted a title that emphasized Khan more than Gary Seven.


Eugenic Wars was more original and its the title that beckons me when I go to the book store.


And this is why authors should not be allowed to title their own books![/QUOTE]

Eh...you may have something there....
 
I've titled every one of my books and stories to date with the exception of Mere Anarchy: The Darkness Drops Again, which was a theme title assigned by our editor KRAD.

Better hurry, everyone! We're running out of phrases in "The Second Coming" that HAVEN'T been turned into book or episode titles yet! :eek: ;)
 
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