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ESS AACHEN, XCV-770: Full Deck Blueprints Project.

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wow, it's been a while since I've seen this. I remember saying I was going to do a 3d model of this months ago. I only got half done before i got side-tracked. I'll check and see if I still have the file. If I do then I'll try to finish it and post it.
 
Why is it that whenever I go away on vacation for a week people start posting in my old threads? :lol: Thanks for the kind words.

Impressive, I must say. Can I ask you to do deck plans for my gunboat? :)

Keep up the good work!!

James

At the moment I'm trying to turn my AS into a BS and I'm busy to the extreme. Ask again next summer. :lol:

wow, it's been a while since I've seen this. I remember saying I was going to do a 3d model of this months ago. I only got half done before i got side-tracked. I'll check and see if I still have the file. If I do then I'll try to finish it and post it.

Sounds cool, I made a somewhat primitive version in Pro-E for practice, but it's pretty pathetic. (Pro-E is a technical model program more about stresses and forces. It's good for machine simulation, bad for realism.)
 
Damn!

I just made an account because I've been trying to get in contact with Mr. Marsden for weeks now!

Does anyone know if he'll back back or how I can get in contact with him? It would be much appreciated,

-G
 
Sorry, I can't resist.

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I'm just wondering how one would go about creating something like this?

I was tinkering around making a modified version of this in MSPaint to get a feel for it until I hit a wall and realized MSPaint lacks the functionality needed. I tried GiMP but I can't even figure out how to draw straight lines and circles in it so that's out. I tried Paint.NET today but when I try to rotate a selection, instead of rotating it simply ... vanishes.

I'm starting to get a bit frustrated because I have a really cool idea for a ship I want to make "real" by drawing it out.

Things I'm particularly frustrated over:

Drawing correctly aligned concentric circles
Rotating selections (I need more than the 90 degrees MSPaint offers)
Edit: Scaling and shading for that "3D" look, although that's a much more minor concern.

Thanks in advance, Mr. M.
 
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^K not to be a jerk but that doesn't help at all. lol Thanks though?
 
Don't mind Sojourner, he's just the resident grumpy old man. I'm sure someone will be able to answer your question. Unfortunately, that someone isn't me.
 
^Sorry, but I missed the part where I was querying you?

Then again, I missed the part where you excluded me considering this is a forum and open to anyone to reply.

As for your issue, You might try Inkscape. it's a free vector based drawing program in the vein of Coreldraw and Adobe Illustrator. You might find it more intuitive than a pixel based program like MS Paint or The Gimp.

If you want to do 3d you might try Sketchup and Blender, both free. You can find tutorials for both on Youtube.

To reiterate, this isn't a tutorial site for drawing software. You might try going to the forums for the particular software you are using to find information on particular functions. More than likely you'll get your answers quicker than waiting for some random poster here to just wander into the thread and happens to be skilled in said software.
 
Don't mind Sojourner, he's just the resident grumpy old man. I'm sure someone will be able to answer your question. Unfortunately, that someone isn't me.
Also, unfortunately, it's not a matter of "simple pointers" that make it all fit.

Nobody can "teach" you to do something like this. The very first thing you need to be able to do is to be able to do the entire project in your mind. Yes, as you develop it, and transfer your work into a medium other people can look at, you'll inevitably make tweaks... but the "real work" happens inside your head, not on paper or inside a computer (regardless of your tool).

Sojourner's point, while perhaps on the "grumpy" side (been there, done that, myself, by the way!) is essentially correct. Nobody can teach you how to "easily" do this.

It simply takes work. A LOT OF WORK.

Once you have the concepts in your head, you can't just "press a button" and have it appear. You're looking at this the wrong way, I'm afraid...

I'm just wondering how one would go about creating something like this?

I was tinkering around making a modified version of this in MSPaint to get a feel for it until I hit a wall and realized MSPaint lacks the functionality needed. I tried GiMP but I can't even figure out how to draw straight lines and circles in it so that's out. I tried Paint.NET today but when I try to rotate a selection, instead of rotating it simply ... vanishes.
Unfortunately, you need to master a tool in order to do what you're trying to do. You will need to practice, and experience the tricks of the tool you've chosen.

I'm of the opinion that learning GIMP is a good place to start. GIMP can do everything you need to do in order to develop pretty much what you've seen here. But again, you need to know TECHNIQUE, and you need to have the design... 3 DIMENSIONALLY... inside of your head before you even start playing on the computer.

You get that, not from someone telling you how... but by doing it. "We learn by doing..." And making mistakes is the best way to figure things out, so expect to flail around a bit while learning, and not to have your first effort be "perfect" (or even "remotely acceptable" for that matter!)
I'm starting to get a bit frustrated because I have a really cool idea for a ship I want to make "real" by drawing it out.
There are as many ways of putting your idea into a viewable form as there are people who do it.

My own approach is an "inside-out" approach... and always, entirely in 3D. This is a bit tougher, but it's by far my own preferred approach. This is quite popular and is used on here regularly... there are several very accomplished "movie-quality" modelers right here on this site. Others, like me, are more "figuring out how it all works" and worry much more about the guts than the texturing and the like. Both approaches are entirely valid, but give different types of results. (One of the images I most like to show off is this one...

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/1909/animation5ch0.gif )

Other people, like Ancient or like Aridas or CRA or, for that matter, any of the other guys who did this sort of thing so well back in the heyday of Trek fan publishing, like to do 2D drawings. But they've still thought everything out in 3D, and they are only TRANSLATING their 3D ideas into 2D. You have to know the techniques to do 2D drawings of 3D concepts. That's far beyond what you can learn in an online forum... I recommend you pick up a reference book on old-fashioned drafting techniques, if you plan to use 2D primarily.
Things I'm particularly frustrated over:

Drawing correctly aligned concentric circles
Rotating selections (I need more than the 90 degrees MSPaint offers)
Edit: Scaling and shading for that "3D" look, although that's a much more minor concern.
Choose a tool... GIMP is a good place to start, though I prefer Corel's tools, and have also used Photoshop and Paintshop Pro... Photoshop is too pricey, but between PSP and Corel, I just know Corel's tools better. But for "FREE," you simply can't do better than GIMP, as far as I'm concerned.

EDIT: Also, as Sojourner points out, you should use a mix of vector-based graphics and pixel-based graphics. GIMP and Inkscape work together very well... and both are free.

READ THE LITERATURE. Learn your tool... read the help, read the instructions, buy a book if you need to. Read up on how to do 2D drafting (there are tricks you NEED to know if you're going to do this stuff... you can't just "start drawing" and have any chance of making things match up between different projection views otherwise!)

Again, I have to agree with the gyst of Sojourner's comments. You need to learn your tool, first.

What you're doing is, in essence, asking for directions on how to fly from New York to Thailand, without having learned how to fly a plane first.
 
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That is truly some spectacular work. It truly does look like a pre-cursor to the ships we all know and love. And your deck plans are incredible. The attention to detail is just so impressive. Truly awesome work.
 
^This is a zombie thread. The person you're complimenting hasn't posted on TBBS in over a year and a half.
 
K I understand everyone feels the need to feel smart by acting didactic but I'm not interested in your ego stroking. My query was directed at ancient and nobody else (the only question I directed at people in general was how to contact him).

That's far beyond what you can learn in an online forum... I recommend you pick up a reference book on old-fashioned drafting techniques, if you plan to use 2D primarily.

Yeah yeah dude I learned that in middle school, but either way I'm querying someone about a few minor details regarding using the computer to do it.

What you're doing is, in essence, asking for directions on how to fly from New York to Thailand, without having learned how to fly a plane first.

What I'm essentially asking is "Mr. M, I notice you are a good flyer. I want to fly from New York to Thailand. I have the following few questions about flying." And then some people who want to stroke their own egos by sounding wise show up to say "Nobody can teach you, young grasshoppa, it must come from within."

I don't have time for that and I'm not impressed.

So, when someone answers your question, and you don't like the answer, you act like an 11 year old?

Except nobody has answered any of my queries in this thread except to try sounding wise by saying "It takes work." as if that part wasn't already painfully obvious. But nice try.

Anyway I don't have time for the cock-measuring contest so I'll just PM him and perhaps he'll email me. Peace out.
 
^Good luck with that. As I stated earlier, he hasn't been active on this board in over a year and a half.

Oh, and since you somehow missed the advice we gave you concerning your drawing issues, don't let the door smack you in the ass on your way out.

Edit to add: good luck PM'ing Cadet.
 
lol Getting my attention seems really important to this guy^.

since you somehow missed the advice
Truth be told I'm skipping most of what you write because your posts they lack any real substance and just seem to be your preferred vehicle for being rude to people. *shrugs* I'm sure you'll reply with another asinine post but before you waste your effort I won't be reading that one, either.

Toodles kid. ;)
 
lol Getting my attention seems really important to this guy^
Quite the contrary. You joined this BBS, posted in a public forum, and when you didn't get EXACTLY the "fantasy result" you were hoping for, you threw a nasty, brattish temper tantrum.
since you somehow missed the advice
Truth be told I'm skipping most of what you write because your posts they lack any real substance and just seem to be your preferred vehicle for being rude to people.
Wrong. YOUR posts have been uniformly rude to everyone... including those of us who've actually made an effort to help.

As someone who knows, and became friends with, Ancient, I feel reasonably safe in saying that, were he even remotely likely to return here to answer your questions, his response would be no more satisfactory to you than those which you've received. Granted, he'd likely have responded more tersely, and then merely shrugged off your petulant-child routine... but hey, we all have our own style, don't we?

(By the way, when you signed up for an account here, you agreed to live by the rules that were presented to you. And one of those is that you don't "reveal personal information" about people here, unless they've chosen to make that information public already. For instance, you can refer to me by my real name, because I make no secret of it. But you are not permitted to refer to Ancient by his real name... he hasn't given you permission to do so here, has he? So, as far as this website is concerned, you only have the right to refer to him as "Ancient.")
*shrugs* I'm sure you'll reply with another asinine post but before you waste your effort I won't be reading that one, either.
Which demonstrates exactly the sort of person you are. You have a ludicrously inflated sense of self-importance, are rude and insulting when no such response can possibly be considered justified by anyone except for you, in your own narcissism, and have demonstrated exactly ZERO reasons for anyone to treat you with even the tiniest hint of respect.

The respect of "getting serious answers" which you were given, initially, here... you didn't deserve it. So, from this point forward, I think you can safely say that you've worn out your welcome here.

And, I'm very confident, Ancient would agree with that.
Toodles kid. ;)
Of course, every action and statement you've made since first "appearing" here has demonstrated how silly of a comment this is. "Kid?" You behave in a way which is common for spoiled kids of the 17-20 age group today... go back fifty years, and this was still something you'd see, albeit among 12-15 year olds.

Sojourner is an adult. I'm an adult. And yes, Ancient is an adult. You might want to aim a little higher in terms of your own behavior... Kid.
 
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