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Episode of the Week: 11001001

Not faulting him for picking out porn, just faulting the scrip writers for making us watch it.

Not gonna lie, as much as I hate the Minuet part of the episode, the Bynars themselves were cool, both their concept and their make-up.
Season 1 had a couple cool examples of alien make up, those Dog/Rat and Cobra ambassadors in that one episode were pretty well done as well TNG seldom did such elaborate designs later on, or at least few I can remember right now.

That's the part that I don't like about the episode, the way Picard and Riker talk about Minuet looks cringe and creepy to me. It's certainly a "quintessential" moment of season 1.

Season 1 tried to make the aliens very different, but a lot of the times it looked silly. Even the Ferengi which were supposed to be threatning on their first appearance looks laughable.
 
Most unintentionally funny part of the episode:

Quinteros: "There's nothing you can do."

...as bridge crew stands by helpless.

There had to be SOMETHING else they could've tried. :D
I liked it when he said forcefully to Yar, look your ship is almost clear. Next shot it's still way inside and still infront of that window
 
This is probably one of the best if not the best episode of the first season. And it had one of my favorite scenes in Trek history.

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The Borg wouldn’t have to do much to assimilate them.

Frankly…Minuet seems more like a ploy the Borg Queen would try…the Bynars being clueless about such things…
 
Really? The episode where the Captain and the First Officer get their ship stolen because they are too busy flirting with a holographic bar floozy to notice what's going on?

In their defense, they thought there were 1000 other people on the ship to stop it from being stolen. Or maybe you're suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to leave the bridge at all. After all, people from the 24th century don't pee.
 
In their defense, they thought there were 1000 other people on the ship to stop it from being stolen. Or maybe you're suggesting that they shouldn't be allowed to leave the bridge at all. After all, people from the 24th century don't pee.

No I'm suggesting it was a bit cringeworthy of the two leads of the show (as they were at the time) to be cheated out of their spaceships by a toaster with boobs.

But I admit you do have a point about the other 1000+ people on board.
 
I think I know why holo-Minuet after the Bynars left was so... yeah.

Remember that Riker only asked for "an audience", something "intimate", not blond, and "sultry". No personality parameters were given. So, once the Bynars stopped playing Min (I think it was Zero Zero who was snogging Riker), she reverted to the original parameters Riker set. One female, not blond, and please explain meaning of term "sultry".

That may be why Janeway could fall for a hologram later... Michael Sullivan's parameters, programmed by highly skilled holonovelist Tom Paris and refined by discriminating starship commander Kathryn Janeway, were more sophisticated.
 
This is a great gem from season 1. The Bynars were a great creation.

I also look at them as a cautionary tale for us. With how much humans are relying more and more on computers, I can see a day happen when you'll find entire communities of humans pretty much the same as the Bynars... perfect melding of man and machine. So reliant on a giant supercomputer that any EM burst to it would basically kill everyone. Thankfully, I won't be alive long enough to be made part of a computer.

Regarding the holodeck, I didn't find any of it cringy. Everyone has different tastes in whatever gender they like. When Riker says 'blondes and jazz rarely go together', that's just personal taste. (Frankly, I'm with him. I've always preferred brunettes and redheads.) And he did ask for an intimate audience at first, then got more specific. Nothing wrong that. It's like dating... you go through a lot until you find someone more to your tastes. This is just a shortcut. Besides, it's his free time using his program. As long as people aren't getting hurt, what's the problem?

And Picard was merely fascinated by Minuet, particularly when she spoke french out of the blue after hearing his name. Go ahead and tell me any of you won't stick around for a bit to learn more about a person who has an interest, passion, or hobby that matches yours. Or just spoke fluently in your native tongue about a city you love.

I love this episode. Definitely a highlight of season 1.
 
Well, a star going bang might flash-fry all of us easily enough - but if we (additionally?) lived in a computer or a zillion, we might be much better protected against it. It's far easier to ruggerize a machine than a man!

Timo Saloniemi
 
11001001 is an episode where, in general, holograms are meant to be 3-D physically but one-dimensional in ways that matter: the ship's computer, being itself devoid of human characteristics, cannot hold within itself a being that is. You need a specialized vessel (like Data's positron brain) to hold a "person" as we know it. That will change in later episodes, in which Moriarty, Vic, the holo-villagers from "Shadowplay", and especially Voyager's EMH achieve sentience.

Again, my theory is that Minuet was so human because one of the Bynars was in direct control of her. Once that control was released, Min became a mere light puppet.
 
The alternate interpretation is that one has to "write" a holo-character, and nobody with any skill has gotten around to performing this task for the initially blank holofiles of the E-D as of "11001001" yet (and Starfleet frowns on people bringing their own characters from outside vendors on isolinear USB sticks). With time, such characters will accumulate, and be used as templates for further characters by the computer...

Riker's musings about how Minuet is "different" could be dismissed as simple flirting, and he could be a veteran of interaction with holocharacters for all we know, even if his previous starship's holodecks lacked in some other aspects of sophistication. Picard is a more objective source of amazement - but when he thinks Minuet's ability to adapt is remarkable and new, this may simply reflect Picard's disinterest in holotainment, of him being out of date for being such an old fart.

Remarkably, Picard brings up "adapting", but not, say, the fact that Minuet is aware of what she is. Then again, any interactive program might be taught this fact, exactly because the average user might be interested in this aspect, without this translating to actual awareness by our strict and ever-changing standards.

The next adjective is "intuitive", and Riker thinks this "uncanny", affirming this is the first holo-floozy he could consider developing feelings for. Has Riker never had the opportunity to purchase anything from Felix? Or is he just not the type, and is now trying this thing for the first time in his life, even though it really isn't where no man has gone before?

We might still choose to believe that holo-personalities were unknown to the Federation and not just to Picard and Riker at this time, but that the tech became commonplace within the next five years or so. If this is a pure tech advancement, then the tech itself might be new, Flotters and 23rd century Recreation Decks be damned. But it could be a change in legislation, too.

(As for Minuet becoming an empty shell, she rather seems to disappear outright. Which would be consistent with a program being yanked out, rather than a capacity being removed, I guess, since Riker "searched for her", as if from the ranks of holocharacters, rather than for a missing set of skills to install to a character.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
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We all have our romantic and sexual fantasies. Having a holodeck just allows people to act them out.

I mean, it IS pretty clear Riker intends to have sex with his holofantasy date. The writers knew what holodecks would be used for right up until DS9 and beyond.
 
And Riker clearly has had verbal foreplay before, which is why he can tell things are different here. When Picard says he is already familiar with holodecks that provide "figures that fight and fictional characters with which we can interact", he must be describing that very thing Riker is familiar with, only in "cleaner" terms better fitting his position.

So it's nuances, of Minuet taking more initiative in adapting, even when any holo-"opponent" can be told to, say, go more sultry by the user. Either the computer previously lacked this ability (by virtue of software, since the computing oomph required must be trivial), or then it had the ability but Starfleet settings precluded its use.

The Bynars could bring in the required software. But a malfunction in "The Big Goodbye" really shouldn't. So blocks in the computer are the likelier explanation, and the blocks suffering a hiccup the best way to explain all the sentience we see bubbling up: Minuet, Cyrus Redblock, Moriarty...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I would have liked some explanation of what "binary way of thinking" means.

I think its their lack of nuance. The Bynars only see the possibility of the Federation saying no ("Prime directive?") and that as an unacceptable risk without any real shades of gray.
 
I always saw it as Riker just enjoying this holoperson (Picard too) because they were a curious pair and they decided to charm her to get information out of her. There was no sex and none intended. This interpretation along with the others ring false to me. The Holo-woman already knew what she was programmed for. The Bynars. It's like in the Dixon Hill holodeck program that Picard so enjoyed. He had to say goodbye to his holo-friend - his partner. His name escapes me. He did not know he was on though, We will have to agree to disagree.
 
I always saw it as Riker just enjoying this holoperson (Picard too) because they were a curious pair and they decided to charm her to get information out of her.

But that's never even hinted at. I think we are meant to believe that they are just attracted to her.
 
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