Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

[Tuskin38]

Not everyone is a liar either. I'd rather not go through my life thinking people are lying to me on a constant basis. Already lived 10 years of that life.

Oh I agree that Rey's parents are nobodies.

I'm just saying when a movie is running in the theatres, people working directly on said movie probably won't say anything to directly compromise the image of it, unless they really really hated it.

Except Mark Hamil apparently. He didn't seem to care.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh I agree that Rey's parents are nobodies.

I'm just saying when a movie is running in the theatres, people working directly on said movie probably won't say anything to directly compromise the image of it, unless they really really hated it.

It's been far enough removed that I'm not overly worried about being lied to at this moment.

I'm sure I'm being naive, and frankly, I am at the point that I don't care. Johnson and Abrams have endured enough crap from this fan base to earn at least a small token of my trust.

 

[jaime]

It's a distinct impression the fan base ran with. That doesn't make it a foregone conclusion just because the fan base believes it so.

And, honestly, at this point in time, I have more confidence in these production teams telling us (most of) the truth than the internet theories bantered about. It seems that the later is based primarily on wishful thinking or expectation of foul play by one or the other of the directors to satisfy the dislike of a particular film.


Not everyone is a liar either. I'd rather not go through my life thinking people are lying to me on a constant basis. Already lived 10 years of that life.

TLJ was nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t bad.
That’s my opinion based on watching it, same as TFA....every storytelling bone in my body screams that was at that point stuff being set up, that later simply did t get a pay off. It will, of some fashion, in IX.

 

[fireproof78]

TLJ was nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe. It wasn’t great, but it wasn’t bad.
That’s my opinion based on watching it, same as TFA....every storytelling bone in my body screams that was at that point stuff being set up, that later simply did t get a pay off. It will, of some fashion, in IX.

Funny enough I had the opposite reaction.

 

[jaime]

Funny enough I had the opposite reaction.

You thought it was worse? Or that the Rey stuff in TFA wasn’t setting something up? Because at the very least It setup her being told they weren’t any good in TLJ. XD I just don’t think that’s what was intended at the Tim.

 

[fireproof78]

You thought it was worse? Or that the Rey stuff in TFA wasn’t setting something up? Because at the very least It setup her being told they weren’t any good in TLJ. XD I just don’t think that’s what was intended at the Tim.

I didn't think the Rey stuff was setting something up. I thought she would be the classic hero, a nobody, rising to nobility. It's as mythological as they come, in terms of storytelling.

I think her parents were just that-her parents. I did not regard them as special. So, perhaps it was self-selective bias on my part. But, it just didn't jump out to me as "Her parents are important! They'll come up later!"

 

[DigificWriter]

There is absolutely no reason - other than blatant cynicism and an arrogantly stubborn desire to cling to outdated and debunked fan theories and speculation - to believe that JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson, and numerous other individuals (including Daisy Ridley) were lying when they addressed certain aspects of TFA and TLJ's production.

This was true in the aftermath of TFA and the 2-year lead-up to TLJ,l and it remains true today.

People came out of TFA believing that there were far more "mysteries" in that film than there actually were (and continue to believe so now despite individuals directly associated with both that film and TLJ going out of their way to clarify and debunk various impressions of TFA's contents that were inaccurate and that had the potential to directly influence people's viewpoints on TLJ).

 

[BillJ]

Not everyone is a liar either.

I remember how they swore up and down that Khan wasn’t in Star Trek Into Darkness.

 

[fireproof78]

I remember how they swore up and down that Khan wasn’t in Star Trek Into Darkness.

So, because of that, I should mistrust everyone? Already have that in my life, thanks.

 

[DigificWriter]

I remember how they swore up and down that Khan wasn’t in Star Trek Into Darkness.

One example - which was later publicly apologized for - does not a pattern make, and you've already been repeatedly told why trying to use that example as justification for being a "slovenly, lackadaisical cynic" is stupid.

 

[BillJ]

One example - which was later publicly apologized for - does not a pattern make, and you've already been repeatedly told why trying to use that example as justification for being a "slovenly, lackadaisical cynic" is stupid.

What the fuck are you talking about?

 

[BillJ]

So, because of that, I should mistrust everyone? Already have that in my life, thanks.

One example - which was later publicly apologized for - does not a pattern make, and you've already been repeatedly told why trying to use that example as justification for being a "slovenly, lackadaisical cynic" is stupid.

I guess neither of you know what "" means? I was just having a bit of fun. Thanks.

 

[fireproof78]

I guess neither of you know what "" means? I was just having a bit of fun. Thanks.

Hiii-larious! :P

 

[BillJ]

Hiii-larious! :P

I like to interject some fun when people start acting like this is a life or death struggle. Like I said earlier in the thread, orphan, Skywalker or Solo, it really doesn't matter to me as long as the movie is entertaining.

 

[DigificWriter]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Christopher has repeatedly cautioned you in the past against bringing up the "Kahn isn't in into Darkness" thing - which JJ admitted was a mistake - as justification for dismissing anything and everything that filmmakers or actors say about the projects they're involved in as being lies.

To paraphrase him, not everyone is lying because this one person lied once-upon-a-time.

 

[BillJ]

Christopher has repeatedly cautioned you in the past against bringing up the "Kahn isn't in Until Darkness" thing - which JJ admitted was a mistake - as justification for dismissing anything and everything that filmmakers or actors say about the projects they're involved in as being lies.

I don't interact much at all with @Christopher. You've mixed up your posters. Even with that, the insult was uncalled for.

And it is "Khan" and "Into Darkness".

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I fixed it... but my point still stands.

I'm also not sure where you feel like I insulted you unless you're referring to the "slovenly, lackadaisical cynic" thing, which is a joking reference to FOX's Gotham.

 

[BillJ]

I fixed it... but my point still stands.

I have no idea what your point was, but whatever gets you through the night.

 

[DigificWriter]

I have no idea what your point was, but whatever gets you through the night.

My point is that just because JJ Abrams once lied about Cumberbatch being Kahn, it doesn't mean that he, Rian, or anyone else was lying in regards to whether or not Rian used The Last Jedi to ignore or undo anything that JJ set up in The Force Awakens.

 

[fireproof78]

I like to interject some fun when people start acting like this is a life or death struggle. Like I said earlier in the thread, orphan, Skywalker or Solo, it really doesn't matter to me as long as the movie is entertaining.

It doesn't really matter either to me either. But, I'm not going to pretend like we've been misled either.

It's not life or death. I just am discussing it.