Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

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  1. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    I pretty much think Mike has got it.
     
  2. Maurice

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    I could "caution" a lot of things, but that doesn't make me any more of an authority figure than anyone else, including Christopher.
     
  3. JD

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    I really hope they don't contradict the reveal that Rey's parents are nobodies. Not only would it completely destroy the whole theme of Rey's storyline in The Last Jedi, but it would make the character a lot less interesting. I like the idea of her being a nobody who discovers a great destiny.
     
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  4. JD

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    Is there no Rise of Skywalker panel at SDCC?
     
  5. DigificWriter

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    They won't.

    As has been pointed out numerous times, both JJ and Rian independently - and repeatedly - stated that they both reached the same conclusion - separately - about who Rey's parents were.

    We also know that JJ was not only aware of everything Rian was going to do in TLJ, but approved of it as well in his capacity as a Producer on that film.

    I still maintain that there is a distinct possibility of Rey being revealed to be a Skywalker through Shmi's paternal line, but such a reveal would not be contradictory to TLJ in the slightest because her being a Skywalker by blood and her parents being "nobodies" are not mutually exclusive things given the fact that it is only one specific branch of the Skywalker family tree (Anakin > Luke and Leia > Ben Solo) that has any galactic significance.
     
  6. Tuskin38

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    Nope, I think we might get something at D23 in late August though.
     
  7. Nightowl1701

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    I don’t think they will. Certain points of view, remember? Her parents WERE nobodies. She just never knew they were foster parents, not her birth parents. And those were nobodies too.

    Because they don’t exist. There was no father - or mother. The Force cavern couldn’t show Rey her parents because there was no one to show. Her life, I strongly suspect, began in a cloning vat.
     
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  8. JD

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    Stuff like that didn't occur to me, but it could work.
     
  9. DigificWriter

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    Rey has never been ignorant of who her parents are.
     
  10. Kor

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    Perhaps she's the center of a vergence in "The Force."

    A vergence, you say? :vulcan:

    Kor
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    Located around a person?
     
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  12. DigificWriter

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    The "Cosmic Force" clearly chose her, but I doubt she's like Anakin.
     
  13. Morpheus 02

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    "Cautioned" in that if we keep pushing this, Christopher will come at us with a condescending tone as to why we are wrong, and why our fears/concerns are not valid, even if we provide proof. He provide his own proof from obscure events to show that he alone is right.

    As a threat, that is one we can bank on. So i think "cautioned" is the right word. ;)


    i understand ... but in this case, it is the SAME producer of ANOTHER well loved sci-fi property where he did it, so the odds of it happening again are far greater than a random producer. It's like an adulterer saying he is never going to cheat again -- unless there is some significant effort and change in mindset, i wouldn't believe him so easily.

    And i think there are other executives would would also "lie" in such a fashion as Abrams has...but very true, we shouldn't expect that of ALL
     
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  14. fireproof78

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    Fair enough. But, I'll believe him for the time being.
     
  15. jaime

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    Hence the mirrors sequence, and her raising her hand. Maybe her parent was Luke’s hand. *dun dun dun*
    She was a failed clone, and the imperial officers told to destroy her were her ‘nobody’ parents who couldn’t bring themselves to kill her as ordered, so they left her on Jakku.
    Standard fairytale hidden scion stuff.

    I could see it working.
    She could be the corporal carrot of the Star Wars universe.
     
  16. DigificWriter

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    There's a big problem with this theory; Rey knows who her parents are.
     
  17. jaime

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    Rey thinks she does. But unless she remembers the smiling obstetrics droid, it’s all in the air. There’s no point where she knows for certain.

    It’s not my favourite theory, just expounding in the other commenters work.
     
  18. DigificWriter

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    This is 100% false as stated directly by the filmmakers.
     
  19. jaime

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    Great.
    Where is it on screen?
    Where does Rey say ‘I know who they were’ where does she say she knows Ren is right?
    Now...I am ready to be surprised, since I have only sat through TFA twice and a bit, and TLJ once. So really, I am cool with that.
    But until it’s dusted, and everything finished, it doesn’t matter who says what, because that can and has changed. (This is Star Wars, there is no way you need me to document how often offscreen things, whether it be Lucas himself or other writers etc have changed their minds or contradicted themselves. It’s well known already.)

    Yes I would prefer it if there was a bit more mystique to her parentage, for reasons I and others have mentioned about eighty bajillion times. (And you really can’t win on this...if you don’t like the new films, you stand accused of raging misogyny, if you actually want the main lead -female- to get a bit more to her character, you are still wrong by the modern fan rhetoric.)

    But no...I am afraid it’s no more false than someone suggesting around the SW/ESB era that Luke and Leia are twins. Or around SW that we ‘know’ who Lukes father is. Or, indeed, until TPM that we ‘know’ who their mother was.
    What we do know is that ‘hidden Scion’ fits right into the Space Fairy tale, and that without it, not a single new protagonist has any tie to the ‘epic’ approach they are aiming for in the ‘Skywalker Saga’. Some may not like it, but, it does fit with what Star Wars always has been, not what some would want it to be. We can’t complain about naysayers decrying lack of realism over space bombs and what have you, and then complain that it’s unrealistic Rey should be some kind of lost heir...it’s a blooming Fantasy film.
    At the very least, there’s gonna be a lot of The Force Moves in Mysterious Ways as it is. (Isn’t It lucky the Falcon just happened to be on Jakku, and Han just happened to be basically in orbit. And Maz just happened to have the Skywalker Sabre in her cellar.)

    So...I basically haven’t seen anything even a little bit solid either way on Reyes parentage. We have Kylos statements and a flashback that could go either way.
    If Obi Wan can have a ‘certain point of view’ then I am pretty sure Ren can too.
     
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  20. DigificWriter

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    Here is something that people need to understand: If something is a point of contention narratively and/or has not been internally agreed upon and established, it will not be commented upon by Lucasfilm or associated/affiliated individuals. It does not matter if the thing in question has been previously established onscreen or in a supporting Canonical source.

    I know this because I have personally witnessed members of the Lucasfilm Story Group either directly shut down a particular idea that has been ruled out of being part of the official Canon or deflect a question because they were not at liberty to talk about the subject of said question.

    The very fact that Rian, Daisy, and others have stated that Rey knows who her parents are is as loud and definitive a Canonical declaration as if that fact had been explicitly stated onscreen.