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Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

Keri Russell will be Rey's Drunk Mom, Dominic Monaghan is Drunk Dad and also Luke's illegitimate son. Or maybe Obi-Wan's. The fans are up in arms that Rey is a nobody, but nothing some fast retconning can't cure.
 
Keri Russell will be Rey's Drunk Mom, Dominic Monaghan is Drunk Dad and also Luke's illegitimate son. Or maybe Obi-Wan's. The fans are up in arms that Rey is a nobody, but nothing some fast retconning can't cure.

Keri Russell is Flashback Mara. Dominic is the son of her and Luke. And reys dad.
 
Matt Smith? Does that make Star Wars cool now?

Ha! I just made the same joke on IGN. :)

Only if he wears a fez and acts like a cardboard cutout toddler in announcing it. :D

Capaldi was a breath of fresh air, but let's just hope Smith's role is halfway decent, engaging, complex, compelling... like DJ (Benicio Del Toro) was.

Never mind all the leaked stuff that came out about IX

The greenscreen with all the light fixtures, a close-up of a camera with Finn blurred in the background, Mark Hamill coming back as a force ghost or to tell a fake-out that his second death in TLJ was another force projection for whatever reason, Lando's back for no reason except fanservice for which group of fans..., The MF on a forest planet (gee, callback to ROTJ? TOTFL, what a s.h.o.c.k.. Not.)
Google it, it's all so recent that not many are going to miss out.

Until then,

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I still like many set pieces in TLJ and liked Luke's change, but Plinkett still has a few points of interest - including in particular how TLJ should have ended instead. That bit's an eye-opener.
 
how TLJ should have ended instead

Next to the obsession with ‘plot holes’ (directors assuming that you’re smart enough to know shit happens between transitions is not a plot hole, fuuuuu-), the whole ‘this is what should have happened’ is my biggest bug bear with internet ‘criticism.’

Fan fiction is fun. Shooting the shit after a movie is fun. But there’s a reason most traditional critics, and essayists, don’t seriously do it during their criticisms or reviews of the actual product.

It’s because:

(1) they’re reviewing what exists, on its own merits. Not making comparisons to a ‘woulda, coulda, shoulda.’

(2) they know that it’s far easier to build upon a house, when someone has already laid the foundations for you. If you couldn’t come up with your ‘improvement’ without the stimuli of the movie in its actual completed form, how on earth can they hold it against the actual writer who was building from nothing?
Note: that’s not the same things as pointing out when you find a decision silly, just not working for you, or if there’s an obvious Room-style technical mistake.
 
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If somebody wants to tell you "how something should have been done" (unless they preface said discussion with the qualifier that they're just engaging in a thought exercise), it's an immediate indicator that you shouldn't give any credence to what they have to say.
 
Never mind all the leaked stuff that came out about IX
Is it possible to get a link? Telling me to "Google it" means nothing as I search and find 0 of what you are talking about. Would be nice to have a common frame of reference rather than assuming everyone gets the same Google results.
 
Next to the obsession with ‘plot holes’ (directors assuming that you’re smart enough to know shit happens between transitions is not a plot hole, fuuuuu-), the whole ‘this is what should have happened’ is my biggest bug bear with internet ‘criticism.’

Fan fiction is fun. Shooting the shit after a movie is fun. But there’s a reason most traditional critics, and essayists, don’t seriously do it during their criticisms or reviews of the actual product.

It’s because:

(1) they’re reviewing what exists, on its own merits. Not making comparisons to a ‘woulda, coulda, shoulda.’

(2) they know that it’s far easier to build upon a house, when someone has already laid the foundations for you. If you couldn’t come up with your ‘improvement’ without the stimuli of the movie in its actual completed form, how on earth can they hold it against the actual writer who was building from nothing?
Note: that’s not the same things as pointing out when you find a decision silly, just not working for you, or if there’s an obvious Room-style technical mistake.
Agree completely. This is the problem I have with most fan edits of movies. They are taking someone else’s ideas and work and spend a small fraction of time to alter it to please themselves. It’s a form of masturbation!
 
Everyone has a right to voice their opinion. I really don't see the point of participating in an online forum if people are going to be shamed for saying they didn't like this or that creative decision.

How many people liked Greedo shooting first? How many like midichlorians? Star Wars is full of some questionable creative decisions. Did Lucas and the rest have their reasons? Sure. Were they the "right" reasons? Probably not fair to say if people are all but rioting in the streets over it.

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The one thing I will say about all this is that the energy involved in the negativity probably should be channeled into something more constructive.

Why does Star Wars exist at all if not that George wasn't content to settle for the old Flash Gordon serials. He loved them, but he wanted to do them HIS way and mash them up with his other influences.

So my hat's off to Oscar Isaac for taking the high road and more or less saying the same thing.

The creative process usually starts with wanting to improve upon something you liked enough to inspire but think could be done better.

I think to some degree the negativity of fandom reflects a sort of learned-helplessness over barriers to entry. The internet has given us a voice to collectively rant but our entertainment habits have converged to the point where we all consume less and less variety rather than more, at least in the cinema. The less variety the more you're going to have people not finding exactly what they want.

We're creating a sort of prison where only properties that got their start 30+ years ago are allowed to exist (in the form of endless reboots, reimaginings, and continuations). Any new ideas just aren't given a chance. Very much Ready Player One-like, actually.
 
How many people liked Greedo shooting first? How many like midichlorians? Star Wars is full of some questionable creative decisions.

Didn’t care about either. Especially when I was watching them during my time as their actual target audience. aka. When I was 7 and 9 years old.

Actually...that’s not entirely true. Both moments are now slightly funny to watch, knowing that hundreds have probably lost their shit at that exact moment down to the second.

It’s kinda like still whispering ‘arsehole’ during Rocky Horror, even though you’re watching the movie alone.

It’s especially funny if they were ‘rioting in the streets over Star Wars.’ Because if they’re doing that, then they’re definitely in the wrong. Because holy fuck, that’s the very definition of ‘being a loser.’

Why does Star Wars exist at all if not that George wasn't content to settle for the old Flash Gordon serials. He loved them, but he wanted to do them HIS way and mash them up with his other influences.

Not quiet.

Lucas just wanted to make Flash Gordon, and was legally not allowed. So he, err...still made as much Flash as he could. It’s especially evident in his draft of The Star Wars.

Lucas probably wouldn’t say Star Wars was an improvement on Flash. And it definitely ain’t an ‘improvement’ on The Hidden Fortress.

The creative process usually starts with wanting to improve upon something you liked enough to inspire but think could be done better.

‘Put your own spin’ on things, is not the same as ‘improve.’ Lucas is pretty open that ANH was a homage, which is a fancy word for ‘simple copying...but in a good way!’

And it’s very much not the same as ‘the movie should have adapted my head canon (that didn’t even exist when the movie was in production), and is lesser for not doing so.’

That attitude is not the fault of the internet, at least not in the way you think. People have never had more opportunity to access, publish or produce their own work.. Likewise, from a mass media perspective, globalisation has meant more is available to us then ever. Unlike under the studio system, literally imitless amounts of fiction is only a click away. And it’s nearly all potentially free.

If people aren’t ‘getting what they want,’ it’s because they’re apparently sitting back, and expecting a very specific group of people to read their minds and somehow string their disjointed (and often contradictory) ‘wishes’ directly back to them in 4K.

aka. They’re entitled buttholes, who have watched too much Batman Forever.
 
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I really, really hope they don't go back on any of the stuff they revealed on TLJ. Nothing drives me more crazy then when we get a big reveal, and then just retcon it away a short time later.
 
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