Star Wars is for everybody, kids and adults.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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I’d say kids and the inner child of adults, just like Disney films.
You're correct.
However, to paraphrase-quote something from the documentary Empire of Dreams, Star Wars' audience has first and foremost always been kids.
Sure, the young and the young at heart.
When the movie itself sets it up as something to wonder about, yes. "A good question, for another time..."
Considering how important the lightsaber is, yes.
Considering how important the FO is, we should have had an explanation for them too.
Considering how important the FO is, we should have had an explanation for them too.
I don't see how the movie set up the *lightsaber* as being at all significant in the first place. Yeah, it's an important part of that one scene, where it just plays the symbolic role of calling Rey to the force. But that's the *Force* talking, not the specific lightsaber.
People can want to see whatever, but I see no logical reason whatsoever why the lost adventures of Luke's lightsaber between RoTJ and TFA ever need to be explained at all. Luke left it behind somewhere. Eventually it wound up in a box on Maz Kanata's world. That's literally all you need to know.
People can want to see whatever, but I see no logical reason whatsoever why the lost adventures of Luke's lightsaber between RoTJ and TFA ever need to be explained at all. Luke left it behind somewhere. Eventually it wound up in a box on Maz Kanata's world. That's literally all you need to know.
I argu that it is important.
But even if you minimize it's important... part of a filmmaker's job is to connect the dots between scenes and moments and things that matter. Not everything needs to be connected, but iun general things do need to be connected otherwise filmmaking would be jumpy and jarring all the the time.
For example... vader survived the events of a New Hope so he could return for the next film. We didn't need to see him regroup with the empire.. but we DID see him get blasted out of the death star trench run.. and with three quick shots, we saw him right his ship and fly off.. because that movie used those three shots to tell the story that would lead to the sequel.. even if they were not 100 percent sure they were going to make it. JJ doesn't bother with this kind of thing.. he doesn't show any shots of Kylo Ren or Hux or Phasma leaving Starkiller before it explodes.. because they are main characters they just do.
But even if you minimize it's important... part of a filmmaker's job is to connect the dots between scenes and moments and things that matter. Not everything needs to be connected, but iun general things do need to be connected otherwise filmmaking would be jumpy and jarring all the the time.
For example... vader survived the events of a New Hope so he could return for the next film. We didn't need to see him regroup with the empire.. but we DID see him get blasted out of the death star trench run.. and with three quick shots, we saw him right his ship and fly off.. because that movie used those three shots to tell the story that would lead to the sequel.. even if they were not 100 percent sure they were going to make it. JJ doesn't bother with this kind of thing.. he doesn't show any shots of Kylo Ren or Hux or Phasma leaving Starkiller before it explodes.. because they are main characters they just do.
And yet being a crap film most of us forgot about it, which pretty much reinforces @fireproof78 's point. It isn't that the content made SW unpalatable for kids per se, but rather that the influences drawn on were more diverse than what would normally be marketed to kids and yet it succeeded against expectations.
Part of that is that having kids in mind didn't lead to a depreciation of the quality. Kids aren't stupid, arguably they are in many ways much more receptive and flexible in their thinking than adults and the tendency to dumb things down for them often overshoots the mark. It's more a statement about how we, as adults, often miss the mark and give nowhere near enough credit to our younger selves. The younger selves who after all, became us.
i actually agree for the most part. I mean I was 12 years old once and appreciated stuff that was a little above my years.. I appreciated deep themes and I think most kids do.
The lightsaber is important. But taking the time out to suggest she got the saber from some trader who obtained it from a Jawa who traded it for a droid who got it from a junk dealer who found it in a deserted Cloud City is not vitally important enough to waste time on it. I mean, seriously, what does that add? Frankly, I think they spent a little too much time in TFA expositioning how the Falcon made it to Jakku. But that’s just me. These are details that fans might want to know but the general audience just accepts. And the filmmaker needs to cater to both. So there has to be balance.
As for the FO characters getting off Starkiller, you have Snoke literally telling Hux to bring Kylo to him. Again, that’s really enough for the two of those characters. I agree that Phasma might have needed a little more but showing her escape might have slowed down the movie at that point.
If it's important enough for a character in the scene to ask where it came from, then it's important enough for an audience member to ask too.
If we saw that Artoo had Obi-Wan's old saber that he left on the Death Star, wouldn't you wanna know how the heck that came about?
Yeah let's make a movie from the moment Anakin build his lightsaber untill it ended up in the hands of Rey.
Everything from the perspective from the lightsaber, and make the movie at least 2.5 hours long
I would have thought a little bit more explanation for the emergence and mind boggling scale of the First Order would probably have been more useful, or how the "Resistance", who are seemingly the only military body protecting the government of an entire galaxy consisting of countless trillions of beings have basically one cruiser, about 2,000 members and twenty odd fighters available to them.
But if the adventures of a lightsaber (which probably simply got lost for years in a warehouse) are what people want, who am I to argue?
But if the adventures of a lightsaber (which probably simply got lost for years in a warehouse) are what people want, who am I to argue?
All I'm saying is that there is no one universal answer, but there is a secret to what plot points get threaded through the narrative what plot points don't. I think the new trilogy (especially since they didn't have a plan at all) doesn't make these little connections well.. and that is a problem .
sure it did. And even if didn't and you can demonstrate it.. it followed a certain protypical journey fairly closely.
But you'd think spending $200 million on each film for sequels everyone has been waiting for .. that it wouldn't be written like the way mad libs are written
But you'd think spending $200 million on each film for sequels everyone has been waiting for .. that it wouldn't be written like the way mad libs are written
I actually don't know if it did, hence the question. Seems it all depends on which particular branch of the RL mythology around SW and GL you listen to at any given time.
Can you explain why the lightsaber should have been given further explanation, as opposed to Vaders' helmet, or the way the Jedi ability to become force ghosts went unexplained for so long (and arguably still is)? How about the fact we still don't know what species Yoda is, or how (links to fan fiction aside) there seem to be trillions of human beings in a distant galaxy?
Seems to me there are an awful lot of unanswered questions and trying to answer them all within the film series wouldn't really be all that great an approach to making blockbuster movies.
Because the lightsaber is the main macguffin of the film.. they put undue importance on it (previously.. objects are not things that cause force visions) If it is so important, they would allow us to know how it got from a to b to c so we can follow along.
