Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

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  1. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I've done a lot of that in the past, and I have no idea where that's supposedly from.

    For whatever it's worth, the book Shadows of the Empire had expressed something like that notion.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    I have no idea if any of these quotes help but here you go.
    "Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful, but he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor. So that isn’t what the Emperor had in mind. He wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the dark side."

    --George Lucas, “Star Wars: The Last Battle,” Vanity Fair, 2005


    "At this point, Vader’s plan really, now that he knows he’s his son, is to convince him to come with him. Join the dark side and together they’re going to overthrow the Emperor, which is the thematic devices used through the whole movies in terms of the Sith, which is Sith Lords are usually no more than two because if there are three, then two of them will gang up on one to try to become the dominate Sith. Anakin would have been able to do it if he hadn’t been debilitated and now he’s half machine and half man, so he’s lost a lot of the power of the Force, and he’s lost a lot of his ability to be more powerful then the Emperor. But Luke hasn’t. Luke is Vader’s hope. His motives at this point are purely evil. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before which is get rid of the Emperor and make himself Emperor. He only sees his son as a mechanism for the ambition. His mad lust of power."

    --George Lucas, TESB DVD Commentary.

    "And when he finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

    --George Lucas, Rolling Stones Interview, 2005.

    "The Emperor wants Luke to kill Vader so that he will have a new young Jedi. Lets face it Vader is half mechanical and he is not half as good as he could be. He is not nearly as good as he was hoping Anakin would become because Anakin ends up in the suit. He is hoping he gets a new better apprentice in Luke. If he kills his father then he would take his place as an apprentice; which actually there is something that in the next film is how Anakin becomes his apprentice."

    --George Lucas, ROTJ DVD Commentary.
     
  3. WarpFactorZ

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    ^ Boy, when you read that, George Lucas sounds like that special kind of awful-sci-fi-writer reserved for Gene Roddenberry.
     
  4. Hela

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    A habit of ‘misremembering’ history for his own benefit, is not what we mean by ‘Roddenberry was a special kind of awful.’

    Lucas has his faults. Roddenberry had worse ones.
     
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  5. Smellmet

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    Episode IX needs to deliver the mother of all space battles. Anything less and I'll be disappointed in the movie regardless of the quality of the rest of it. ROTJ delivered it in spades in 1983, and has only been matched by RO IMO since.
     
  6. fireproof78

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    I tend to agree. I really want a very large and epic space battle like ROTJ. For all of that film's faults. that space battle is still amazing.
     
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  7. Campe98

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    Once you get off of Tatooine, once you're done dealing with the introduction of the Ewoks, ROTJ is a pretty amazing film: The final space battle, the Rebels with the Ewoks' help defeating the Empire on the ground, the amazing confrontation between Luke, Vader and Palpatine. Too bad it takes about 90 minutes to get to that point.

    They definitely have to deliver a third act much like ROTJ in scope in order to bring it home.
     
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  8. Kor

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    I third or fourth this viewpoint. Ep. IX must have the space battle to end all space battles, for once and all time.

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  9. Campe98

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    At the same time, let's not make it ridiculous like ROTS' Battle of Coruscaunt. That was just an opportunity for ILM to blow their CGI wad on the screen.
     
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  10. Set Harth

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    I don't see anything in there about "the strongest Force user who ever was or would be", though.

    Also, it's an article in Rolling Stone the magazine ( I have the issue in question ), as opposed to an interview with the band The Rolling Stones. :techman:
     
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  11. fireproof78

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    It was not helped by the fact that a lot of starship designs had never been seen before by the audience so distinguishing sides or even caring about the pilots was nearly impossible.
     
  12. Campe98

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    Well, there are heroes on both sides. :p
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Given how many die, I'd say that their heroics were, um, less than impressive ;)
     
  14. Campe98

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    To be fair though, you could say the same with the Rebels at the Battle of Yavin. Percentage-wise, other than the Falcon, we see, what? Two X-Wings (Luke and Wedge) and a Y-Wing (Keyan Farlander in Legends, Evaan Verlaine in canon) survive the fight? Out of 30 ships per the dialogue? Those are not good survival rates.
     
  15. Smellmet

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    They key is to keep it so the viewer knows what's going on. ROTS's battle didn't accomplish that (and I love ROTS) it was just shit flying all over the place. ROTJ you always knew what was going on, yet the size and the scope of that battle remains unmatched. The star destroyer ramming scene in RO is what keeps in in the game.

    For episode IX I want to see fleets of big-ass capital ships duking it out amongst the fighters. Maybe we'll see some more hyperspace kamikaze shit?
     
  16. Campe98

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    Agreed.

    As critical as I am of Rogue One, the space battle is spectacular!

    Something akin to old sailing ships fighting? That’d be kinda cool.

    I tend to doubt it. They need to find a way to top it. As critical as some fans have been towards the ST, repeating the big “whoa” moment from TLJ would be torn apart.
     
  17. Set Harth

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    I always knew what was going on in the ROTS battle. If anything it seems languid.

    That's what they were going for in part of ROTS.
     
  18. Campe98

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    Cold would be another descriptor. We knew what would happen. There were no stakes.
     
  19. Smellmet

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    It just wasn't exciting enough for me, spectacular, sure but because it was at the very beginning of the film it just didn't seem to mean much to the story for me. ROTJ was so climatic in comparison. ROTS didn't have any 'it's a trap!' moments to it. It was just sort of... going on.
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    Fair point.

    I personally enjoy the ROTS battle far more after playing Battlefront II :D
     
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