For me, it was the unsavory side of Gene Roddenberry.
Sometimes it seems like a lot of things are successful in spite of their creators and not because of them.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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Sometimes it seems like a lot of things are successful in spite of their creators and not because of them.
In life, with relationships, I agree. However, with fandoms and franchises it is less obvious. For me, it's been a bit of time, and a lot of heartache, watching fandoms tear themselves apart over the SW prequels, as well as Abrams Trek.
But, my take away is recognizing two things. Films and franchises are not perfect and not every entry is for me. I thoroughly enjoy Star Wars, it has been a part of my life since 8, but that doesn't mean each SW film was for me. I wasn't a huge fan of TPM, but I enjoyed the novels. I did not enjoy the Ewok movies, and on and on.
THe point is, fine joy in the franchises that you like and ignore the stuff you don't. Better for the blood pressure.
I watched the originals for the first time when I was like 8 or 9, and I still remember that goof as this amazingly hilarious revelation when a teenage neighbour told me about it a few months after that first viewing. I don't think I'd even developed the idea that movies could have mistakes. I guess it's one of those things that changed a lot after the internet really kicked off.
Also remember not watching those movies at all from about 11 to 14 after being obsessed through most of my childhood. I'd always thought ROTJ was the best (yay Ewoks and Jabba) and ESB the worst (because 'nothing happened'). I remember the strange experience of watching them again and realizing my opinion had totally shifted.
I used to have pretty much the same opinion. It wasn't until I watched it again years later that I really started to appreciate it. It's also one of the reasons I say to most people who didn't like TLJ that they should give it another go, because most of the criticisms I've heard sound a lot like things I once would have said about ESB.
I've tried, believe me. Multiple viewings has minimized a few of my complaints, but largely magnified others.
or maybe they just found it a boring tonal mess made up entirely of time filler subplots
Okay, but there’s a difference. I don’t know anyone who flat out didn’t like ESB. It just wasn’t their favourite. I see lots of little ideas like this that seem to suggest TLJ is some kind of unappreciated gem, but they tend to be based more on shaky reasoning and perhaps a touch of wishful thinking.
I don't like ESB.
I can appreciate it from a visual and technical standpoint. But it is not enjoyable for me.
I think it is wildly entertaining. I don't think that is shaky nor wishful thinking. I love this Luke Skywalker, and the story he shares with Rey and Kylo Ren. Every time I've sat down and watched it, it has been a blast.
Isn't that the point of all this? To be entertained. I can see folks not being fans of it, but to call others views "shaky" and "wishful thinking" is pretty fucking poor form.
Not sure you really understood what I said. I don’t think it’s shaky reasoning or wishful thinking for you or anyone else to consider TLJ entertaining. I was responding to the idea that TLJ is going to become utterly beloved based on the fact that many fans didn’t like ESB as much as ANH on first viewing.
Sure, there will always be people who don’t like something. As I said, it’s more that many people grow to enjoy ESB more as they get older rather than going from hating it to loving it.
Don't know how old I need to get to grow to love it...
We won’t know that for years to come.
So, I need to clarify again. I said I didn’t enjoy ESB as much as a kid, then someone else said they had a similar experience and only grew to appreciate it over time. They then drew a comparison to TLJ, and that’s where I think the reasoning is shaky, this idea that people are going to start loving TLJ over time based on changing opinions of ESB.
There’s a big difference between going from thinking a movie is good to thinking it’s great and thinking a movie isn’t bad to thinking it’s great.
Works under the idea that people all dislike it. There are likely plenty out there that like it, but don’t consider it great.
I’m not saying people all dislike it though, am I?
Depends on the person. I have no desire to revisit ESB, it isn't my favorite of the OT, and I don't see that changing.
GOOD LORD! I never said you would change your opinion. I said right from the outset that some people are always going to dislike something.
Didn't say you said that.
I was just remarking that I was someone who didn't like ESB, in response to the assertion that you didn't know anyone who didn't like it.
In real life! I don’t really feel like I know anyone on this board. And again, I don’t think you’re going to magically change just because others did.
Ok...just making a comment.
I was curious as to the experiences of others shifting their view. Nothing more and nothing less.
