Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

[Campe]

if you don't like the story why invest any more energy in to it?

That, I believe, boils this down to the base for most of us who aren't on FSM's side in this continued debate.

 

[BillJ]

Right now, my only real concern is if they stick the landing. Wrapping up the trilogy in a satisfying fashion. For all the good and bad one can find in various storytelling, if you fuck up the landing, you pretty much fuck up the whole story.

 

[Campe]

Right now, my only real concern is if they stick the landing. Wrapping up the trilogy in a satisfying fashion. For all the good and bad one can find in various storytelling, if you fuck up the landing, you pretty much fuck up the whole story.

In total agreement. In all honesty, I'm not sure that they're going to. But, we'll see in a little over a week!

Also, I just got back from Los Angeles. I was unable to get to Disneyland unfortunately, but it amazed me, not only the amount of advertising up for Rise of Skywalker and the Mandalorian, but that everyone was talking about Star Wars, from my Uber driver to the airport yesterday to those in my grad school cohort to the jackass cartoon writer I shared a SuperShuttle to by hotel last week with. It was pretty impressive!

 

[fireproof78]

Right now, my only real concern is if they stick the landing. Wrapping up the trilogy in a satisfying fashion. For all the good and bad one can find in various storytelling, if you fuck up the landing, you pretty much fuck up the whole story.

Yeah, I get that. But, one of the few filmmakers I actually have confidence in is Abrams. So, I am extremely hopeful and excited to see it.

And, again, I survived the prequel trilogy, the constant Jar Jar hate and Ewok burning in effigy. I can handle disappointment.

 

[BillJ]

And, again, I survived the prequel trilogy, the constant Jar Jar hate and Ewok burning in effigy. I can handle disappointment.

So can I. I watched the Red Angel arc crash and burn after a promising start, and am still a Star Trek fan. But stumbling down the stretch can leave one smarting.

 

[fireproof78]

So can I. I watched the Red Angel arc crash and burn after a promising start, and am still a Star Trek fan. But stumbling down the stretch can leave one smarting.

It is what it is.

 

[Campe]

So can I. I watched the Red Angel arc crash and burn after a promising start, and am still a Star Trek fan. But stumbling down the stretch can leave one smarting.

I did just get Disco season 2 for my birthday. I am going to be rewatching soon and see where it lies for me.

 

[BillJ]

I did just get Disco season 2 for my birthday. I am going to be rewatching soon and see where it lies for me.

I have to say, I can't imagine ever wanting to watch either part of "Such Sweet Sorrow" ever again.

 

[Campe]

I have to say, I can't imagine ever wanting to watch either part of "Such Sweet Sorrow" ever again.

Oh, I loved it when it aired. But we'll see if it survives a rewatch.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Right now, my only real concern is if they stick the landing. Wrapping up the trilogy in a satisfying fashion. For all the good and bad one can find in various storytelling, if you fuck up the landing, you pretty much fuck up the whole story.

I agree. The shakes and shimmies that have emanated from the SW franchise from the prequels until now have made me a bit gun-shy. I'm nervous, for the first time I can recall, that I might not like this one.....

 

[JD]

I'm actually going to stop here for a second because it's the first time in a while you've said anything which seemed vaguely sensible.

Supposing we need a backstory for Snoke, his powers and apparent ability to go unnoticed by Palpatine what makes you think that isn't part and parcel of the next movie? We've already had Palpatine teasered in a trailer and we are well aware that strong force users can hide in the force so that opens up at least two broad sets of answers.

1) Palpatine didn't know precisely because Snoke was so powerful and could hide, much as he hid from Yoda and Yoda, in turn, hid from him. Or, Palpatine didn't know because he was in some sense from outside the known setting.

2) Palpatine did, in fact, know and simply didn't present that information to us. Snoke could very easily be one of his apprentices (he had a thing for keeping several in play oblivious to each other), someone to whom Palpatine was apprenticed (Plagueis?), a Jedi who survived the purge and turned to the dark side, a figure previously only seen in the EU, or even someone we already know twisted by events in the interim (Mace Windu?)

At this point I'm pretty sure Palpatine knew about Snoke, the question for me is just how involved he was in Palpatine's planning.

Rumors suggest...

Spoiler: Potential Ep IX Spoilers

...that Snoke was a clone created by Palpatine and that Kylo Ren finds discarded versions on his way to find the Dark Lord. That, unsurprisingly, suggests that Palpatine was behind the First Order the entire time.

Source: Making Star Wars

That is fairly plausible sounding to me.

Just like Lucas was making it up as he went along. That is kinda how filmmaking works. You try to have a general outline, but things along the way cause changes to be made.

I didn't realize just how drastically all three movies in the PT changed as they went on until fairly recently. I had assumed Lucas had a pretty clear outline from the start, but all of them actually started out pretty different from what they ended up being.

 

[Campe]

I didn't realize just how drastically all three movies in the PT changed as they went on until fairly recently. I had assumed Lucas had a pretty clear outline from the start, but all of them actually started out pretty different from what they ended up being.

Which just goes to show you the creative process. Any creator who suggests that they have every story beat laid out ahead of time is lying. Perhaps there’s a loose outline but the details all change. For instance, for quite some time in the development of ESB and ROTJ, there was a sister for Luke. But it wasn’t confirmed to be Leia until production commenced on Episode VI. The sister was supposed to come from another part of the Galaxy, going on the same journey Luke did while Leia was supposed to become isolated and “Queen of the universe.”

 

[Spot261]

I have to say, I can't imagine ever wanting to watch either part of "Such Sweet Sorrow" ever again.

Oh, I loved it when it aired. But we'll see if it survives a rewatch.

I just tried and the answer is I got bored.

The fact that I only did so as a consequence of this exchange might be a factor, as might it's nature as part of a larger arc, but it wasn't anywhere near as enjoyable as putting on a TOS or TNG episode. Unlike @King Bob! I enjoyed DIS at the time to an extent but it's already faded out of my consciousness in a way lots of other series (not just Trek) have not.

 

[fireproof78]

Which just goes to show you the creative process. Any creator who suggests that they have every story beat laid out ahead of time is lying. Perhaps there’s a loose outline but the details all change. For instance, for quite some time in the development of ESB and ROTJ, there was a sister for Luke. But it wasn’t confirmed to be Leia until production commenced on Episode VI. The sister was supposed to come from another part of the Galaxy, going on the same journey Luke did while Leia was supposed to become isolated and “Queen of the universe.”

Exactly. One need only look at Leia being Luke's sister to realized that some things are not as well planned out as we might think.

 

[Campe]

Exactly. One need only look at Leia being Luke's sister to realized that some things are not as well planned out as we might think.

Not only Luke/Leia but Darth Vader himself. It was not always planned that Anakin was Vader. That’s why I recommend the book The Secret History of Star Wars. You can see in some honest depth how much and at the same time the saga just was not preplanned. Very much worth a read if you’re interested in such things.

 

[KennyB]

By this time next week I will have seen it 2 times by now........really hope it nails it.

Exactly. One need only look at Leia being Luke's sister to realized that some things are not as well planned out as we might think.

I just saw some deleted scenes from ESB where Luke/Leia kiss more.....really glad they cut it considering.

 

[fireproof78]

Not only Luke/Leia but Darth Vader himself. It was not always planned that Anakin was Vader. That’s why I recommend the book The Secret History of Star Wars. You can see in some honest depth how much and at the same time the saga just was not preplanned. Very much worth a read if you’re interested in such things.

It is an excellent book and it definitely illustrates how much we take for granted after the movies were released. So much was just improvised.

 

[Campe]

I just saw some deleted scenes from ESB where Luke/Leia kiss more.....really glad they cut it considering.

I mean, there was a great opportunity for a comedic moment in Jedi before Luke went off to face Vader...

LUKE: Yes. It's you, Leia.
LEIA: I know. Somehow... I've always known. Even though we... ya know... made out.
LUKE: Yeah. Awkward.
LEIA: Yeah.
LUKE: But you know why I have to face him.

 

[JD]

Which just goes to show you the creative process. Any creator who suggests that they have every story beat laid out ahead of time is lying. Perhaps there’s a loose outline but the details all change. For instance, for quite some time in the development of ESB and ROTJ, there was a sister for Luke. But it wasn’t confirmed to be Leia until production commenced on Episode VI. The sister was supposed to come from another part of the Galaxy, going on the same journey Luke did while Leia was supposed to become isolated and “Queen of the universe.”

I believe the original plan was for the sister to not come into play until the sequel trilogy, but then once they decided to tie things up (for the time) in ROTJ they just rushed and made her Leia.

 

[Campe]

I believe the original plan was for the sister to not come into play until the sequel trilogy, but then once they decided to tie things up (for the time) in ROTJ they just rushed and made her Leia.

I believe that's true. Still, goes to show: There was no plan for the OT.