A split can come at any percentage point. It does not automatically mean 50/50.
Episode IX Speculation and Discussion
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A split can come at any percentage point. It does not automatically mean 50/50.
This is yet another falsehood.
You keep repeating falsehoods left, right, and center, but that doesn't change the fact that they're falsehoods.
So you are saying it did not split the fanbase?
Solo failed batman smells, Robin laid an egg
TLJ did upset some people, but you keep exaggerating how widespread the dissent was.
Because of a lack of marketing.
as if the lack of marketing was the only reason. OMG you are hilarious
If you're so convinced that "TLJ hate" impacted Solo, prove it.
Oh, wait.
You can't.
By contrast, the lack of marketing for Solo is something that we can directly trace to the film's BO performance.
the movie came a mere five months after one of the more divisive films in the franchise.. I say there are many reasons for Solo flopping, including TLJ, the marketing, the stories we all heard of trouble behind the scenes. etc it's not just one thing .. but it (a part of the biggest cinematic franchise in history) still failed on the heels of a divisive film.. the math ain't that hard
How do you define biggest cinematic franchise? I’m serious, because one could make the argument that the MCU has outdone Star Wars.
Even if it did, that means 50% (if we’re talking an even split) do like the film and the direction chosen for the franchise. It also means that Solo, was only a $700 million dollar movie, any way you slice it and would’ve barely broken even.
Solo had a lot of things against it. I won’t deny that some disdain against TLJ played a part in it but I struggle to see how said dislike plays a primary role. I think the movie was just doomed to failure from the word go.
Sure they would. Even if this could be demonstrated as true (it can't by the way) the fact that SW fans don't like something doesn't automatically make it bad.
Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that SW is not a superhero style flick with good guys and bad guys. It has shades of gray, multiple layers, and characters who go through complex emotions and struggles. This all started with EBS and continued with ROTS and in to TFA and TLJ.
If fans didn't want this they wouldn't be praising ESB as the best of the saga.
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How I feel whenever people say the fans don't like something...
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I'm actually going to stop here for a second because it's the first time in a while you've said anything which seemed vaguely sensible.
Supposing we need a backstory for Snoke, his powers and apparent ability to go unnoticed by Palpatine what makes you think that isn't part and parcel of the next movie? We've already had Palpatine teasered in a trailer and we are well aware that strong force users can hide in the force so that opens up at least two broad sets of answers.
1) Palpatine didn't know precisely because Snoke was so powerful and could hide, much as he hid from Yoda and Yoda, in turn, hid from him. Or, Palpatine didn't know because he was in some sense from outside the known setting.
2) Palpatine did, in fact, know and simply didn't present that information to us. Snoke could very easily be one of his apprentices (he had a thing for keeping several in play oblivious to each other), someone to whom Palpatine was apprenticed (Plagueis?), a Jedi who survived the purge and turned to the dark side, a figure previously only seen in the EU, or even someone we already know twisted by events in the interim (Mace Windu?)
Rumors suggest...
...that Snoke was a clone created by Palpatine and that Kylo Ren finds discarded versions on his way to find the Dark Lord. That, unsurprisingly, suggests that Palpatine was behind the First Order the entire time.
Source: Making Star Wars
Source: Making Star Wars
So basically you confirmed what /I thought.. they are just making this up as they go along. Nice
Just like Lucas was making it up as he went along. That is kinda how filmmaking works. You try to have a general outline, but things along the way cause changes to be made.
And, honestly... for all you know, there is a detailed writers guide out there for these films that was created when they started working on the sequel trilogy. Go look at the 'Star Trek Writer's Guide' and see how many things changed from it to the series we ended up with.
I don't know what you mean. I am just saying that there are things about the sequels.. the sloppy worldbuilding, the characters etc.. that are ill-conceived right from the start. Some other issues are more subtle.. might not technically be flaws, but with a franchise that has magic powers that are loosely defined.. aspects also seem "off" and while anyone can argue that they a re not technically plot holes or not technically flaws or that if you stretch it a bit they can maybe work within the universe.. it's the combination of way too many individual aspects of these films that just annoy me.. the narrative seems a bit undercooked.. the characters only serve aspects of the story that are soon forgotten..As for what I want.. wellI want a good story.. well told
This is highly subjective. And, again, my question is, if you don't like the story why invest any more energy in to it?
I always love this weird belief that every step of a film is so carefully and meticulously planned out. Art is never that simple or clean. Art is extremely messy, innovative and changing process.
I'd say I got a fairly good story (not perfect by any means) from The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.
Who exactly is the final arbiter of what is good and what is bad?
