Episode IX Speculation and Discussion

[Reverend]

Does it matter? I mean we can debate this as much as we want but it's all pointless until the movie comes out. You can't objectively prove one way or another what another person is going to decide to make up. Because that's what it is: a made-up story. One that doesn't exist yet.

Personally though, I think TLJ concluded that part of Rey's arc pretty succinctly: it *doesn't matter* who her parents were. Deadbeat, low-life, scavenger drunks or the secret heirs to the royal throne of the lost Jedi civilisation of Old High Tythonia. It's irrelevant. Rey is not and should not be defined by what she came from, she is who she is now.
This was a point made in TFA as well, but most people seemed to either miss the point, or wilfully misinterpret the meaning.

 

[Qonundrum]

Lie, mislead, redirect, all the time. Welcome to Hollywood.

Gotta keep the secrets secret! I mean, the Earth will go splodey-boomboom if people figure out in advance...

Does it matter? I mean we can debate this as much as we want but it's all pointless until the movie comes out. You can't objective prove one way or another what another person is going to decide to make up. Because that's what it is: a made-up story. One that doesn't exist yet.

Personally though, I think TLJ concluded that part of Rey's arc pretty succinctly: it doesn't *matter* who her parents were. Deadbeat, low-life, scavenger drunks or the secret heirs to the royal throne of the lost Jedi civilisation of Old High Tythonia. It's irrelevant. Rey is not and should not be defined by what she came from, she is who she is now.
This was a point made in TFA as well, but most people seemed to either miss the point, or wilfully misinterpret the meaning.

People remember anything from TFA, apart from it being a ripoff of ANH?

But, yeah, Sophia Petrillo's points in TFA coupled with the alleged revelation of her parents because Rey wouldn't let it go - how many really could? Never mind that Ren might have been saying whatever to lull her to his side. It's possible the final installment of the latest trilogy may waste a few minutes on this but there's so much more to tell, especially if they're shoving in old-Lando, Leia's pre-recorded deleted scenes hopefully not as bonus extras on the DVD now has to have a whole script modified to accommodate their insertion credibly, there's a gap of several years between the end of TLJ and IX. Then again, if V and VI didn't have a gap, and IV and V hadn't much of a gap, then they're about to build lots of Death Stars rather quickly... which works in VII's favor as it's a modified planet using its core as an energy source instead of building another completely artificial satellite... (still doesn't mean TFA had to be a total retread...)

 

[fireproof78]

Gotta keep the secrets secret! I mean, the Earth will go splodey-boomboom if people figure out in advance...

For some reason people don't like spoilers. Weird, I know.

 

[DigificWriter]

are you going to acknowledge this?
http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/ria...ey-s-parents-is-still-open-for-episode-ix-260

I already have.

However, I've also made it clear that, based on statements from and the behavior of both Johnson and Abrams, as well as statements from and the behavior of Daisy Ridley and Pablo Hidalgo, amongst others, I do not believe that those who are expecting Abrams to come in and suddenly turn Rey into a "legacy character" with some all-important family lineage are going to have those expectations met, and therefore believe that, for their own sanity and the peace of mind of the SW fandom at large, they would be wise to disabuse themselves of that notion.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Bit macabre to resurrect a deceased actress for a role. I thought using CGI to bring back Peter Cushing for RO was too much and in poor taste.

STB did the write thing by acknowledging Leonard's passing. I certainly wouldn't want Prime Spock or Kelvin Checov to make appearances in new Trek films.


Milk it out, Star Wars Disney.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Bit macabre to resurrect a deceased actress for a role.

They're using material already filmed. A part she's played in five other films. Not sure why its macabre.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

They're using material already filmed. A part she's played in five other films. Not sure why its macabre.

I understand that, but JJ is not using footage to help complete a story before Fisher's untimely death. He is using unused footage to squeeze her into a new movie that the character of Leia will have little to do with. It's inelegant is all. The ST has a pluraility of new characters they can focus on and elevate. But hey, that can't compare to saying Luke and Leia will both be in episode IX. Despite Luke being killed off for no reason and Leia's actress dying IRL.

Hehehe

I thought all we needed was Reylo and Stormpilot to get us by.
#joking

 

[thribs]

There will be a time jump I hope. The Empire will have successfully taken over the known regions while the rebels are hiding just outside. Their bumbers slowly increasing. Rey will have an apprentice and Finn will be a general.
Some situation will happen where Kylo is put in a area where they can exploit.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I understand that, but JJ is not using footage to help complete a story before Fisher's untimely death. He is using unused footage to squeeze her into a new movie that the character of Leia will have little to do with. I

I haven't actually seen the movie myself, so I can't really say how much involvement Leia's scenes will have in the overall plot.

It's inelegant is all. The ST has a pluraility of new characters they can focus on and elevate. But hey, that can't compare to saying Luke and Leia will both be in episode IX. Despite Luke being killed off for no reason and Leia's actress dying IRL.

Yes, because dead characters have never appeared again Star Wars.
Not sure Fisher's death should mean Leia can't ever appear.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Luke can comeback. Not a biggie. With Leia/Carrie Fisher, I mentioned how I felt about it already with other examples of actors dying. It's only Star Wars that resurrects these people from the dead to have them in their movie

A return of CGI Leia from RO could possibly be in store!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Luke can comeback. Not a biggie. With Leia/Carrie Fisher, I mentioned how I felt about it already with other examples of actors dying. It's only Star Wars that resurrects these people from the dead to have them in their movie

A return of CGI Leia from RO could possibly be in store!

If she has scenes filmed, what's the harm?
CGI has been ruled out.

 

[fireproof78]

Luke can comeback. Not a biggie. With Leia/Carrie Fisher, I mentioned how I felt about it already with other examples of actors dying. It's only Star Wars that resurrects these people from the dead to have them in their movie

A return of CGI Leia from RO could possibly be in store!

No opinion on Doctor Who having all 13 Doctors appearing in one episode?

 

[thribs]

Say Leia had a unfortunate smelting accident and had to be put in a Vader suit. That’s what they did with Chef in South Park.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

No opinion on Doctor Who having all 13 Doctors appearing in one episode?

That's different. That was a use of stock footage from episodes that had nothing to do with the 50th anniversary. Not all those Doctor's were dead, and the scene was played as a tribute to the franchise.

Bringing back Sarah Jane Smith or Brigadier after both actors died IRL to have them in an episode (that didn't involve a farewell of sorts) would be inelegant and in poor taste. Like I mentioned, I wouldn't want Nimoy Spock or Yelchin Checov to be resurrected just for a future movie scene in Kelvin Trek.

Rogue One brought back Peter Cushing via CGI and a voice modulator to have the character Gran Moff Tarkin in their commercial of a film. By that I mean RO is a commercial for ANH, the same way Iron Man 2 was a commercial for Avengers 1. Bringing back the ghost of Carrie Fisher in a similar manner would be in poor taste I feel.

It's not like they've had anything for Leia to do in TFA and TLJ. She's the leader of the Resistance, but it's more for show, not for go. There's always a Han, Rey, Finn, Poe, Luke or Holdo to actually get out their and do something against the First Order. She's a general (in this unofficial militia), and I don't see her character as being all that important to the story the ST has crafted.

 

[fireproof78]

That's different. That was a use of stock footage from episodes that had nothing to do with the 50th anniversary. Not all those Doctor's were dead, and the scene was played as a tribute to the franchise.

They also brought back the First Doctor with the 13th.

I always struggle with the idea that because the actor is dead the character is dead. As much as I think there is a tone of respect in not recasting, I think it does a disservice to the stories being told and the universe being crafted. I know it's a fine line to walk, but if a character is completely unreplicatable, the storytelling becomes far more limited, I feel.

Given Lucas' tendency to push technology to its limits, I struggle with seeing the disrespect angle, insofar as presenting a character the actor had already presented. I see the arguments for but I struggle with the disrespect aspect too.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

That's different.

It always is.

She's a general (in this unofficial militia)

If the Resistance is an unofficial militia, what does that make the First Order?

 

[M.A.C.O.]

They also brought back the First Doctor with the 13th.

I always struggle with the idea that because the actor is dead the character is dead. As much as I think there is a tone of respect in not recasting, I think it does a disservice to the stories being told and the universe being crafted. I know it's a fine line to walk, but if a character is completely unreplicatable, the storytelling becomes far more limited, I feel.

Given Lucas' tendency to push technology to its limits, I struggle with seeing the disrespect angle, insofar as presenting a character the actor had already presented. I see the arguments for but I struggle with the disrespect aspect too.

Ah, I forgot about Twice Upon A Time. Recasting is okay. David Bradley knocked it out of the park with An Adventure Through Time and Space for the 50th anniversary. So bringing him back to play the Doctor for the show proper was a nice tough.

I never said it was disrespectful. I said it was inelegant. Disney has golden eggs to wring from this choked out golden goose. After the backlash to TLJ, Solo underperforming (if not outright flopping given it's production budget), and Kathleen Kennedy on radio silence since TLJ. Bringing back fan favorites is a way to get back in the audience's good graces. 'Death be damned!'

It always is.

I'm glad we agree.

If the Resistance is an unofficial militia, what does that make the First Order?

An unofficial well-regulated militia. Haha

Cloths make the man, so they say. Which is double hilarious, when you consider the Resistance and First Order buy their weapons and vehicles from the same merchants.

I wonder why the Resistance go about looking as poor as they do. Perhaps it helps maintain the illusion of their "struggle" and the 'not empire's' "oppression.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm glad we agree.


An unofficial well-regulated militia. Haha

Cloths make the man, so they say. Which is double hilarious, when you consider the Resistance and First Order buy their weapons and vehicles from the same merchants.

I wonder why the Resistance go about looking as poor as they do. Perhaps it helps maintain the illusion of their "struggle" and the 'not empire's' "oppression.

lulz

 

[Trekkin]

That's different. That was a use of stock footage from episodes that had nothing to do with the 50th anniversary. Not all those Doctor's were dead, and the scene was played as a tribute to the franchise.

Bringing back Sarah Jane Smith or Brigadier after both actors died IRL to have them in an episode (that didn't involve a farewell of sorts) would be inelegant and in poor taste.

Just to point out: The Brig did come back.

He’s currently a Cyberman, flying around like Superman and defeating the forces of evil.

Hopefully having drawn a little moustache on himself with permanent marker since we last saw him.

 

[fireproof78]

Bringing back fan favorites is a way to get back in the audience's good graces. 'Death be damned!'

How cynical.

I still don't get why death of the actor=death of the character.