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Spoilers Episode 11 - “Perpetual Infinity” Preview Photos

This kind of tech is actually curiously commonplace in DSC. It first appeared in the Klingon spacesuits that had foldaway helmets - and there it ought to have stayed IMHO. But by the second season, Starfleet suits were doing the same thing, and the gravity doodad used for asteroid capture in "Brother" also folded out of nowhere.

It would have been lovely for only Georgiou's Section 31 spacesuit to have the Klingon technology allowing for the Hammerspace helmet, stolen from that very source. But no... The foldaway wings are just a slight variation on Burnham's foldaway helmet.

Timo Saloniemi

The helmets are a bit more forgivable IMHO if you just handwave nanotech, because there's clearly enough space within the bulked up shoulder/back of the unit to house the matter needed to "unfold" the helmet.

That isn't the case with the wings.
 
The helmets are a bit more forgivable IMHO if you just handwave nanotech, because there's clearly enough space within the bulked up shoulder/back of the unit to house the matter needed to "unfold" the helmet.

That isn't the case with the wings.

Foldable space helmets are a thing now, too The new Boeing Starliner suits going up this year will have them, but not in that transformers like way. For an landing party mission, having a helmet you can stow easily vs the big single unit ones used on Ceti Alpha V and the thruster suits makes sense. right tool for the right job, etc. On that note, I'd like to see the forcefield personal protection suit used in TAS at some point, too.

No idea about the wings, though.. Maybe someone very clever in Switzerland made them.
 
So why the heck is the chair completely different now? :wtf: Did we enter a slightly alternate universe? Has the capture changed history? Do they want to provide lumbar support while suffocating the user?
It went from being a Torture chair to a Barber chair.... very strange.
:wtf:
 
Foldable space helmets are a thing now, too The new Boeing Starliner suits going up this year will have them, but not in that transformers like way. For an landing party mission, having a helmet you can stow easily vs the big single unit ones used on Ceti Alpha V and the thruster suits makes sense. right tool for the right job, etc. On that note, I'd like to see the forcefield personal protection suit used in TAS at some point, too.

No idea about the wings, though.. Maybe someone very clever in Switzerland made them.
Space suits are something that seem to go backwards in Trek. We had Life Support Belts in the Animated Series, and that regressed all the way to space suits that don't self-seal leaks in Star Trek First Contact.
 
Space suits are something that seem to go backwards in Trek. We had Life Support Belts in the Animated Series, and that regressed all the way to space suits that don't self-seal leaks in Star Trek First Contact.
I think Worf purposely grabbed a suit that wasn't working properly or always used one that didn't have that feature.
He does like to live on the edge.
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It bothers me more that the "wings" - which appear to be made of metal, not energy - fold away into literally nothing when the suit isn't in use.

Unless they're only a few molucules thin - or they are replicated from an energy store for each use - I don't see how that lines up with either the real laws of physics or Star Trek physics.
You're right. What amuses me is how everyone has different priorities. You will notice something off like that and ask appropriate questions, whereas I like to write entire essays complaining about how Trek doesn't ever do linguistics right.
 
It bothers me more that the "wings" - which appear to be made of metal, not energy - fold away into literally nothing when the suit isn't in use.

Unless they're only a few molucules thin - or they are replicated from an energy store for each use - I don't see how that lines up with either the real laws of physics or Star Trek physics.

Not unprecedented Treknology. In ST'09, Sulu's epee/foil folds out from something handle-sized. They don't have to be wafer thin to fold nicely into a small pack (and besides, they probably are wafer thin).
 
I never thought of it as a cliffhanger - I thought he was just straight up killed off.
I never saw it as a cliffhanger nor did I think he was killed straight off.

I mean, he got a needle thing in his eye. If they wanted to "straight off" connote the fact that he was killed, they would have had him die in some more straightforward manner.

It hadn't even occurred to me that eye needle killed him until I came on the boards after the episode and people were talking like he was dead.
 
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Any pressure suit should be able to, if balanced properly.
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That suit is stuffed with one of Elon Musk's enemies ;)
 
She sort of gave up on the Mirror Universe after her big defeat there. Doesn't mean she wouldn't use a universe-hopping piece of tech in order to search for her ideal universe - there are bound to be lots of those out there...

But turning the Regular Universe into her oyster might be the best possible use for the Daedalus suit in the end. She has good access to historical records of this universe now, and enjoys an inherent advantage here in being so ruthless (or at least she'd think so). She might opt to be the Empress of China in 200 BC, then hop to being the Empress of Eurasia in AD 200, Empress of All Continents in AD 500, and Empress of Sol System in AD 800, delivering much-needed guidance such as a few tech hints at every stop.

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Don't forget that Georgiou already has knowledge of several years of the future of the Regular Universe as well, up until TOS season 3, from historical records from the Defiant that crossed into the Mirror Universe.
 
Don't forget that Georgiou already has knowledge of several years of the future of the Regular Universe as well, up until TOS season 3, from historical records from the Defiant that crossed into the Mirror Universe.

People should really stop bringing this up, because it doesn't mean much.

1. There's no reason to think she studied the prime timeline's future on a regular basis. Obviously she had aides figure out its tech, but she wouldn't do that herself.

2. She didn't really have enough time to cram before she left.

3. Most people do not have a photographic memory, and would only remember the broad strokes even if they did read it.

This is of course presuming that the timeline hasn't already begun to diverge. I mean, even if you take that Discovery took place in the Primeverse at face value, one would presume that her own actions have been changing things. Unless of course she was always "fated" to do this. Hell, probably one of the things she'd be most curious about would be her counterpart's career. Thus I expect the most attention to be paid to that.
 
People should really stop bringing this up, because it doesn't mean much.

1. There's no reason to think she studied the prime timeline's future on a regular basis. Obviously she had aides figure out its tech, but she wouldn't do that herself.

2. She didn't really have enough time to cram before she left.

3. Most people do not have a photographic memory, and would only remember the broad strokes even if they did read it.

This is of course presuming that the timeline hasn't already begun to diverge. I mean, even if you take that Discovery took place in the Primeverse at face value, one would presume that her own actions have been changing things. Unless of course she was always "fated" to do this. Hell, probably one of the things she'd be most curious about would be her counterpart's career. Thus I expect the most attention to be paid to that.
Those seem like minor niggles to me, easily taken care of with one line if the showrunners chose to. Cramming encyclopedic knowledge would be totally unnecessary, but she could have personal motivations for learning specific details. Given how prominent her character is/will be, and that this is one of the few things that make her origin story still relevant, it would be natural for it to be referenced.
 
I'd assume she also looked up Michael, which likely provides her specific knowledge around some events for the next twelve years (however the Red Angel stuff all seems to be new to her, so perhaps it was classified and not in Defiant's records), but i doubt she'd have any more than broad strokes about everything else. Probably limited to the major events such as the conflict with the Klingons that resulted in the Organian treaty and the reemergence of the Romulans.
 
People should really stop bringing this up, because it doesn't mean much.

1. There's no reason to think she studied the prime timeline's future on a regular basis. Obviously she had aides figure out its tech, but she wouldn't do that herself.

2. She didn't really have enough time to cram before she left.

3. Most people do not have a photographic memory, and would only remember the broad strokes even if they did read it.

Imagine, if you will--

Georgiou: When my Michael betrayed me, I lost a daughter. I was angry. I had so many questions that I couldn't ask her. So I asked you, Michael.
Burnham: Me?
Georgiou: I looked you up in the databases on the U.S.S. Defiant.
Burnham (dawning realization): The ship from my universe's future that went through rift into yours.
Georgiou: There you were. Your whole life story, an open book. So like my own Michael and so different.
Burnham: Then you've known everything that would happen this whole time. The outcome of the Klingon War. The Red Angel...
Georgiou: I knew the parts that were written in your biography, but that was before the Red Angel's temporal incursion changed the timeline.
Burnham: Even with advance knowledge, events would have become unpredictable.
Georgiou: Still, your record gave me an advantage...and it helped me protect you.
Burnham: Philippa, I'm not her.
Georgiou: And I'm not the captain you lost, but we're the closest thing we have to the people we loved.

I'm not saying my writing is great, but I think you could have this conversation in a way that explained itself and advanced both the plot and characters at the same time.
 
Georgiou: I knew the parts that were written in your biography, but that was before the Red Angel's temporal incursion changed the timeline.

I doubt the Red Angel changed the timeline. It's been well established that Discovery is the prime timeline. If it did, I'll be extremely disappointed. That's a tired trope at this point.
 
I doubt the Red Angel changed the timeline. It's been well established that Discovery is the prime timeline. If it did, I'll be extremely disappointed. That's a tired trope at this point.

Eh, I was just looking for a line to go there in the five minutes I took to write it. I don't want the timeline to be changed either.

And yes, it's certainly Prime.
 
Eh, I was just looking for a line to go there in the five minutes I took to write it. I don't want the timeline to be changed either.

And yes, it's certainly Prime.

Well, that being said, your dialogue was well written! I could hear them saying it. :beer:
 
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