Entertainment Weekly Star Trek Into Darkness Issue

[RAMA]

Im still banking this is not Khan but either a parallel Khan-like figure or someone from the Botany Bay or equivalent origin that is superhuman/genetically engineered.

Remember how Lex Luthor was turned into a ruthless businessman is several incarnations of the modern character? It may be something like that, where Khan is a modern terrorist as part of or head of an organization.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Like the Freemasons?

The Illuminati.

Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In more modern contexts the name refers to a purported conspiratorial organization which is alleged to mastermind events and control world affairs through governments and corporations to establish a New World Order. In this context the Illuminati are usually represented as a modern version or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati.

The Illuminati is a fantasy creation, one that Robert Orci ironically believes in.

 

[Greg Cox]

First Benedict Cumberbatch is Khan, then Gary Mitchell then "John Harrison" Now Khan again. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS Paramount. I call BS on the whole thing. Simon Pegg said Kahn isn't in it. then Karl Urban said he was Gary Mitchell then Benedict Cumberbatch was revealed to be John Harrison. I think EW is just making a publicity stunt. I'm just waiting till I see the movie. I really hope it's not Space Seed redone.

Er, just to be clear, it isn't Paramount that keeps changing its mind. It's the fans and the press that keep jumping on the latest round of rumors and speculation and taking them as gospel. As far as I know, Paramount has never officially confirmed anything.

In the meantime, does anyone want to discuss the actual article, instead of speculating wildly about what it's NOT saying?

 

[Ovation]

First Benedict Cumberbatch is Khan, then Gary Mitchell then "John Harrison" Now Khan again. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS Paramount. I call BS on the whole thing. Simon Pegg said Kahn isn't in it. then Karl Urban said he was Gary Mitchell then Benedict Cumberbatch was revealed to be John Harrison. I think EW is just making a publicity stunt. I'm just waiting till I see the movie. I really hope it's not Space Seed redone.

Er, just to be clear, it isn't Paramount that keeps changing its mind. It's the fans and the press that keep jumping on the latest round of rumors and speculation and taking them as gospel. As far as I know, Paramount has never officially confirmed anything.

In the meantime, does anyone want to discuss the actual article, instead of speculating wildly about what it's NOT saying?

Now why in heaven's name would anyone want to do that?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Especially when it says so little. Pretty pictures, though.

 

[Phily B]

I honestly can't say I'm bothered if they retcon Khan a bit.

 

[Matt S]

No point in doing Khan....! He's the most painfully obvious (ie boring as hell) choice, that I really hope EW has their head up their ass for this one

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's Khan.

 

[Greg Cox]

Having Cumberbatch is fine. Having him as a villain is fine. Having him play John Harrison is fine. Having him play Khan Noonien Singh is just silly.

This. I'm perfectly fine with The Batch as John Harrison or any other new villain, but having him turn out to be Khan is just a wrong fit. I mean, I thought the whole idea of creating a branch universe in the first movie was so they could tell stories that are not strapped by years of Trek history and details. So why NOT create a new antogonist?

On the other hand, nobody seemed to mind when THE DARK KNIGHT rebooted the Joker one more time . . .

 

[Procutus]

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True enough, but I honestly feel that having Cumberbatch/Harrison be someone other than Khan would be a hell of a lot more interesting than rehashing the character, or retconning his backstory/origins. I realize I'm the minority on this one, but it just seems to me that there has to be other equally compelling villains in this new timeline.

And though I mentioned this to you in the past, I'll say it again: I really enjoyed your trilogy on Khan.

 

[Greg Cox]

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True enough, but I honestly feel that having Cumberbatch/Harrison be someone other than Khan would be a hell of a lot more interesting than rehashing the character, or retconning his backstory/origins. I realize I'm the minority on this one, but it just seems to me that there has to be other equally compelling villains in this new timeline.

And though I mentioned this to you in the past, I'll say it again: I really enjoyed your trilogy on Khan.

Thanks! To be honest, I have mixed feelings about the possibility of a new take on Khan as well, but who knows? We'll see what we get in May.

 

[Procutus]

We'll see what we get in May.

Agreed. I greatly suspect that we really won't know just who 'Harrison' really is until then.

 

[Joerib]

We can always kidnap JJ and force him to tell us...

 

[EyalM]

We'll see what we get in May.

Agreed. I greatly suspect that we really won't know just who 'Harrison' really is until then.

What if we never know? What if Harrison just says he is using a pseudo-name but never reveals his true identity?
We never discovered the Joker's true identity in The Dark Knight, why not here?

 

[Captain Nebula]

Cumberbatch as Khan is like somebody who doesn't look anything like Terrance Stamp (Michael Shannon) playing General Zod.

Wait a minute...



Seriously, tho, as long as it's a fun show.

 

[Procutus]

The thing of it is, were this a complete reboot of the series/franchise, having The Batch be Khan would be fine, because a re-envisioning of a property allows for changes of that nature (remember Starbuck?)

But since the premise here is that everything in the timeline up to Nero's interference remains the same, then changing Khan's ethnic background, not to mention his backstory (if that's what they've done) is just all wrong, IMO.

If he is Khan, I have no doubts that he'll play the role well. But to say that it's the same character as in the Prime Universe is stretching it a bit.

 

[Grup]

Other than RoboCop, I don't think I've seen anything else that Peter Weller has been in. And I saw RoboCop a looong time ago so I'm not familair with how he has aged. So I decided (just now) to Google his image. I really think that he is going to be Khan. Pull up side by side pics of Montalban and Weller. Just my .02

 

[Nerys Myk]

We'll see what we get in May.

Agreed. I greatly suspect that we really won't know just who 'Harrison' really is until then.

What if we never know? What if Harrison just says he is using a pseudo-name but never reveals his true identity?
We never discovered the Joker's true identity in The Dark Knight, why not here?

Is the Joker's true identity important to the story of the Dark Knight? The Joker is what matters not who he was before.

 

[Procutus]

Other than RoboCop, I don't think I've seen anything else that Peter Weller has been in. And I saw RoboCop a looong time ago so I'm not familair with how he has aged. So I decided (just now) to Google his image. I really think that he is going to be Khan. Pull up side by side pics of Montalban and Weller. Just my .02

That is possible, as Weller's identity has yet to be revealed.

 

[BillJ]

Other than RoboCop, I don't think I've seen anything else that Peter Weller has been in. And I saw RoboCop a looong time ago so I'm not familair with how he has aged. So I decided (just now) to Google his image. I really think that he is going to be Khan. Pull up side by side pics of Montalban and Weller. Just my .02

That is possible, as Weller's identity has yet to be revealed.

Weller isn't Khan. But I think he is a bad guy who sets the events of the movie in motion.