If the reason was "Lorca's an atheist", then ok. If the answer is "there's no religion in Star Trek anymore", now you have a serious continuity problem across several series.
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If the reason was "Lorca's an atheist", then ok. If the answer is "there's no religion in Star Trek anymore", now you have a serious continuity problem across several series.
I'm an Atheist, and I still let a "My god" or "god dammit" slip through on occasion.
Its upbringing, those terms are kinda hard wired and so very hard to catch at times. Its long habit and nothing more, I can see how people in trek would not have that habit if religion is not as ingrained as it currently is
I'm not super religious, but this whole thing is idiotic. They said God a bunch of times in the movies and, while it wasn't a human deity, a whole show had a huge recurring subplot about religon. I also hope they aren't trying to maintain the "vision" of a greedy doofus who had some good ideas in the beginning but eventually became a fountain of stupidity and also had allegations of doing things far worse then having stupid ideas or making bad decisions about a TV show. Gene Roddenberry's "vision" should only be mentioned when talking about how out of his damn mind he was when he was working on TNG, and should never be used to justify doing something on any Trek project. Its literally a defense a bad fan fiction writer would use for something stupid in their story.
As for the other stuff, if even one Romulan shows up the show is non canon, since Romulans disappearing is as solidly canon as anything in the show. If they use romulans, that shows that saying Discovery is "in canon" wasn't just a lie, it was a verbal middle finger to Trek fans.
As for the pictures, the transporter looks bad but better then the golden transporter room with the giant wall speakers. Seeing more of the uniform makes me dislike them more, but in all fairness they still look better then the TMP pajamas.
As for the other stuff, if even one Romulan shows up the show is non canon, since Romulans disappearing is as solidly canon as anything in the show. If they use romulans, that shows that saying Discovery is "in canon" wasn't just a lie, it was a verbal middle finger to Trek fans.
As for the pictures, the transporter looks bad but better then the golden transporter room with the giant wall speakers. Seeing more of the uniform makes me dislike them more, but in all fairness they still look better then the TMP pajamas.
This. I don't believe in god and I say oh my god, jesus christ, goddammit, goddamn, oh god, etc and so forth. Sulu saying "my god" literally says absolutely nothing about whether he's religious.
As I said above, Most of this is a reflection of the era we live in. If you go forward 200 years and religion dominates humanity less, you will see things like "Oh god" less as its no longer a cultural thing. Now, I do find the whole thing silly, but I could understand it from that point of view. Our use of those terms is cultural.
"My god" and "for god's sake" are vernacular these days for shock and surprise. I use it and I'm an atheist.
@David Mack says there are story and character related issues, then I'll give Kristen the benefit of the doubt. The way it read in the EW article was managing canon on a micro-level that seemed unnecessary.
@David Mack says there are story and character related issues, then I'll give Kristen the benefit of the doubt. The way it read in the EW article was managing canon on a micro-level that seemed unnecessary.
The people writing the show, obviously. They've been deciding which parts of canon stay and which go literally since "Where No Man Has Gone Before" replaced "The Cage"'s "time warp" with "warp drive" and replaced Laughing Shouting ("THE WOMEN!!") Spock with unemotional logic man Spock.
Literally the second episode ever produced had retcons that threw out parts of canon.
Canon is always a moving target and what is considered, ignored, or forgotten depends on the writers and producers of a given show. Which is as it should be.
Fair point -- which itself only points to the artificial construct of what constitutes canon and continuity.
But "The Menagerie" made "The Cage" part of canon -- and in doing so, it retroactively made "Where No Man Has Gone Before" the first episode to engage in a retcon.
See, again, what makes "The Cage" what I call 'weak canon' is the same mechanic I use to explain better tech in DSC vs. TOS. "The Cage" was used as a text. Spock wasn't fleshed out yet. He was still screaming in "Corbomite". There has to be some logic used in the production of a TV show vs. what you really use as canon.
Like Richie's brother. He was on for a handful of episodes and then disappeared.
Eh, both are pilot episodes and in retrospect should both be retconned. Cage being the harder of the two to retcon due to "The Menagerie" however WNMHGB in my mind should totally be redone to either fit more to TOS, or in the case of 2017 potentially retconned to fit Discovery. WNMHGB always pissed me off from the odd division insignia swap, minor refit to the Big-E that made no sense, the random change in ranking systems from "The Cage" and a few other minor things including the famous James R. Kirk. Clearly all the changes stemmed from NBC just wanting a more colorful light-hearted show and even WNMHGB wasn't good enough hence the final change to the rainbow jellybean TOS we've all come to know and love. In my book (pure personal opinion here) visual canon is bunk for the most part, but narrative canon is pure 24k gold.
@Fandango831 , @starmike : Either way, the point is that retcons in the Trek Canon are as old as Star Trek itself, and that the people who get to decide what stays and what goes are the people who actually make Star Trek.
Um, ok..so if Star Trek is now a musical, and Spock is a weed-toting hippie with Scotty as a drunk and they run around killing everyone for their beer, you're OK with that?
Drastic example, but shows why there has to be some consistency in a show. It's 50 years old, you either reboot it, or stick to the story.
That's not an example, it's a straw man. Call us when Star Trek is a musical doing all the things you're talking about.
It's been a looooooong rooooooooooad......
And don't forget that ENT was supposed to have a weekly boy band.
They can, just not reveal them to the crew of the Discovery and other Federation vessels.
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