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Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effects

Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

VonHelton said:


No doubt it *WILL* be redesigned, so might as well look forward to it, folks. If we built the Big E today, it would look nothing like it's 60's counterpart.

:borg:

But we didn't do that, so who cares.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

VonHelton said:No doubt it *WILL* be redesigned,
No doubt huh? You get that directly from the production staff?

You may well think it's LIKELY, and you might even turn out to be RIGHT (though I doubt it). But there's A LOT OF DOUBT as to what you just said, whether you recognize it or not.
so might as well look forward to it, folks.
You've been very clear all along that you WANT it to be "redesigned" and have been equally clear that you think that the original show is "dated" and so forth. So you've been "looking forward" to this all along. No problem. But the majority of people, both on this board and, evidently, in the general population don't share your opinion.

The "majority opinion" I got when I put this to a vote on here was "like the original with a finer degree of polish" with "mostly like the original with some new details added" coming in second. The LOWEST rated item in the poll was "something totally new." I'm guessing that you could very well be the person who voted for that one, huh?

You're welcome to your opinion, but that's ALL it is.
If we built the Big E today, it would look nothing like it's 60's counterpart.
Um... first off, if we built it today, FOR REAL... we couldn't. So that item is totally off-the-table. I have to assume that, therefore, you meant to say "If we design a new model of the 'Big E' today, without 40 years of Trek history, without Matt Jeffries doing the design, without any of that... it would look nothing like the original design." Which is true, but totally irrelevant. We are not talking about creating a new show. We are talking about recreating elements of something that already exists in the minds of the overwhelming majority of the potential audience. We are talking about things that are so utterly ICONIC that they are immediately recognizable by the majority of people on the planet.

You want to do a totally new design? Do one. Make it the best you can. You want totally new characters? Create them. Make them the best that you can.

But don't attempt to fool the audience into thinking that they're the same people. You can talk about how "name recognition" is what will bring people to the theater... that's true, to an extent. But if you then pull the rug out from under them and show them something that directly contradicts stuff that's basically hard-wired into their brains, yet tell them that it's the "same thing"... they'll either see it as a farce, or they'll leave the theater pissed.

I know you hate the original show, think it's hokey, etc, etc. Fine... good for you. Go watch something else. Make your own show with your own ship and your own characters... but don't call it "Star Trek" and don't call the ship the Enterprise or the characters by the same names we know, unless you intend to make it "fit" with what we know.

You think you can come up with a better version of Star Trek than what was created 40+ years ago and which still has an audience? I'll watch to see how much staying power your desired "improvements" have... I'm betting that, like virtually all of the half-assed "new versions of old stuff" we've had over the past few years, it'll be forgotten as quickly as it shows up.

Things that are called "classic" are called that because they've EARNED it. You want to "reimagine" a classic... expect the audience to call you what you are... an idiot. The audiences have ignored every "reimagined" version of "A Miracle on 42nd Street" (or whatever street it was...). But the original remains a classic. Attempts to remake "The Maltese Falcon" have failed. Attempts to "add to" "Gone with the Wind" have failed. And I'd LOVE to see someone seriously attempt to do a remake of "The Andy Griffith Show" or "I Love Lucy." You just can't do it, and you'll alienate the audience in the process.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Cary L. Brown said:
VonHelton said:No doubt it *WILL* be redesigned,
No doubt huh? You get that directly from the production staff?

You may well think it's LIKELY, and you might even turn out to be RIGHT (though I doubt it). But there's A LOT OF DOUBT as to what you just said, whether you recognize it or not.
so might as well look forward to it, folks.
You've been very clear all along that you WANT it to be "redesigned" and have been equally clear that you think that the original show is "dated" and so forth. So you've been "looking forward" to this all along. No problem. But the majority of people, both on this board and, evidently, in the general population don't share your opinion.

The "majority opinion" I got when I put this to a vote on here was "like the original with a finer degree of polish" with "mostly like the original with some new details added" coming in second. The LOWEST rated item in the poll was "something totally new." I'm guessing that you could very well be the person who voted for that one, huh?

You're welcome to your opinion, but that's ALL it is.
If we built the Big E today, it would look nothing like it's 60's counterpart.
Um... first off, if we built it today, FOR REAL... we couldn't. So that item is totally off-the-table. I have to assume that, therefore, you meant to say "If we design a new model of the 'Big E' today, without 40 years of Trek history, without Matt Jeffries doing the design, without any of that... it would look nothing like the original design." Which is true, but totally irrelevant. We are not talking about creating a new show. We are talking about recreating elements of something that already exists in the minds of the overwhelming majority of the potential audience. We are talking about things that are so utterly ICONIC that they are immediately recognizable by the majority of people on the planet.

You want to do a totally new design? Do one. Make it the best you can. You want totally new characters? Create them. Make them the best that you can.

But don't attempt to fool the audience into thinking that they're the same people. You can talk about how "name recognition" is what will bring people to the theater... that's true, to an extent. But if you then pull the rug out from under them and show them something that directly contradicts stuff that's basically hard-wired into their brains, yet tell them that it's the "same thing"... they'll either see it as a farce, or they'll leave the theater pissed.

I know you hate the original show, think it's hokey, etc, etc. Fine... good for you. Go watch something else. Make your own show with your own ship and your own characters... but don't call it "Star Trek" and don't call the ship the Enterprise or the characters by the same names we know, unless you intend to make it "fit" with what we know.

You think you can come up with a better version of Star Trek than what was created 40+ years ago and which still has an audience? I'll watch to see how much staying power your desired "improvements" have... I'm betting that, like virtually all of the half-assed "new versions of old stuff" we've had over the past few years, it'll be forgotten as quickly as it shows up.

Things that are called "classic" are called that because they've EARNED it. You want to "reimagine" a classic... expect the audience to call you what you are... an idiot. The audiences have ignored every "reimagined" version of "A Miracle on 42nd Street" (or whatever street it was...). But the original remains a classic. Attempts to remake "The Maltese Falcon" have failed. Attempts to "add to" "Gone with the Wind" have failed. And I'd LOVE to see someone seriously attempt to do a remake of "The Andy Griffith Show" or "I Love Lucy." You just can't do it, and you'll alienate the audience in the process.

Well said!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup: :vulcan:
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Folks, let's all remember that J.J. Abrams is making a TOS era movie, because he is a big TOS fan. He wants to tell a story about those characters, on that ship.

That said, why would he go out of his way to make a film that isn't significantly like the classic, original Star Trek series that he so dearly loves just as it is? Why would he change anything about TOS that didn't absolutely need to be changed?

I'm confident that The Enterprise in J.J's Star Trek will look like The Enterprise that we all know and love, because J.J. knows and loves it just as well as we do.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Cary L. Brown said:Um... first off, if we built it today, FOR REAL... we couldn't.

Before I start posting links, I'll be nice & give you the opportunity to retract this statement.

:cool:

If you don't, I will crush you.

:devil:
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

VonHelton said:
Cary L. Brown said:Um... first off, if we built it today, FOR REAL... we couldn't.

Before I start posting links, I'll be nice & give you the opportunity to retract this statement.

:cool:

If you don't, I will crush you.

:devil:
Okay, then... if you honestly think that we can build a matter/anti-matter powered faster-than-light-propelled starship, today, complete with deflector shields, phasers, artificial gravity, etc, etc... I welcome your "crushing" attempts.

Knock yourself out.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

You've been very clear all along that you WANT it to be "redesigned" and have been equally clear that you think that the original show is "dated" and so forth. So you've been "looking forward" to this all along. No problem. But the majority of people, both on this board and, evidently, in the general population don't share your opinion.

The "majority opinion" I got when I put this to a vote on here was "like the original with a finer degree of polish" with "mostly like the original with some new details added" coming in second. The LOWEST rated item in the poll was "something totally new." I'm guessing that you could very well be the person who voted for that one, huh?

You're welcome to your opinion, but that's ALL it is.
are you taking about poll that 80 people :D voted for either "like the original with a finer degree of polish" with "mostly like the original with some new details added" coming in second. this poll really cant show what general movie audience like too see. I will hope that there will be redesign Enterprise smillier to ENT E in XI.
Orginal ENT is outdated that is a fact not opinion(well in my view). People who loves orginal ENT and want it almost unchange for XI are living in a dreamland :guffaw:
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

I mean, not completely re-doing the Big E would be like the come-back series of Doctor Who not changing the TARDIS from an old-fashioned police box, into a shiny new phone booth.

Oh, wait...
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Vejur

In what way, specifically, do you feel that the TOS Enterprise is "dated"?

And please feel free to provide examples comparing the ship to real 23rd Century spacecraft to show us any important design features that the classic TOS design is lacking or has gotten wrong.

Asshat.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

I like the way it looks in Star Trek: Legacy. I wouldn't mind them using a hi-def big screen version of that. Sans the glowing half-spheres at the backs of the nacelles, though. The warp coils glowing is cool, but not the backs of the nacelles. :vulcan:
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Hiya SeamusShameless. So, is that a chameleon circuit in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? ;)
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Cary L. Brown said:
VonHelton said:
Cary L. Brown said:Um... first off, if we built it today, FOR REAL... we couldn't.

Before I start posting links, I'll be nice & give you the opportunity to retract this statement.

:cool:

If you don't, I will crush you.

:devil:
Okay, then... if you honestly think that we can build a matter/anti-matter powered faster-than-light-propelled starship, today, complete with deflector shields, phasers, artificial gravity, etc, etc... I welcome your "crushing" attempts.

Knock yourself out.

I've already posted links to teleporters, warp drive, ship building, etc. The search function should find them again.

:cool:
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

They cannot build a faster-than-light starship today.

They cannot.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

I'm split down the middle on this particular subject.

I really like the original design, and only thing I personally would like 'tweaked' is the fact that the original model was a matte grey had very little detail.

A more modern model (which I can assume would be CGI) would probably be more reflective and have an insane amount of detail.

As far as ILM doing the effects, I think it's really cool, as long as they hold true and respect the fanbase, which I really don't think will be a problem.

The whole idea of seeing NCC-1701 on the big screen again, the original design, is just too awesome to me.

-K
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Just remember ... ILM painted over the original pearlescent finish of the motion picture Enterprise to make it easier for them to photograph. I'm not especially keen on them touching the ship again in any incarnation.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

I don't know how much freedom the ILM artists will get, or how much freedom ILM as a whole will get, but yeah, the closer it looks to the original (mostly the shape, for me) the better.

I liked the new angles on the engines and the torpedo bays and whatnot in the movie model, and the added detail, but in 2008 I hope to see the original model with great detail.

Continuity is kind of a big deal for something as massive as Trek.

-K
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

VonHelton said:

I've already posted links to teleporters, warp drive, ship building, etc. The search function should find them again.

Utter nonsense. Those things don't exist as technologies that can be employed today in the ways necessary to build a Trek-type starship, and claiming that they do would just betray a thoroughgoing ignorance of the state of our science.
 
Re: Enterprise will appear in next Trek film; ILM doing effe

Von seems to think that Area 51 has all this tech....
And the the Illuminati is surpressing it from the public....
So they can take over the world in 2010....
Or something along those lines....

- W -
* Who watched a lot of stuff on TV about all this stuff *
 
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