Enterprise insights

[evilchumlee]

Voyager and Enterprise, as a concept were excellent, the execution was mostly terrible.

I thought both shows are still enjoyable. I'd watch Voyager and Enterprise over any of the new Treks any time. They had plenty of issues, but they were fun shows.

Voyager suffered from being a PERFECT setting for a more long-story format show... not so much for an episodic show. If they were able to get rid of the reset button and make things actually matter, Voyager gets alot better.

 

[Anna Yolei]

Like the early appearances of Ferengi and Borg?

I'll grant the Borg one had just enough justification to exist due to Picard and company not cleaning up their mess in First Contact, but I remember the majority of the people posting here at the time were absolutely furious to get another Borg episode two years after VOY ended and were understandably concerned and frustrated about the direction the show was headed as a result. It was stuff like that which got it the called TNG 3.0, back when Trek fans were still tired of the same old story telling.

 

[at Quark's]

I could live with the Borg, even though I could have done without them. After all, it tied in neatly with First Contact, and it was a good, tense, episode, too.
The Ferengi, on the other hand, I felt were absolutely unnecessary. Also because 2 centuries later, the Federation still only heard vague rumors about them, without their space (apparently) being very far away, like Borg space.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

You'd think if they thought there was a potential lucrative market, the Ferengi would have been swarming into Federation space.

 

[DarthPipes]

Like the early appearances of Ferengi and Borg?

Real low points for Enterprise.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Saved time coming up with concepts, though.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Saved time coming up with concepts, though.

Therein lies the problem. Using crutches rather than creativity.

 

[FederationHistorian]

You'd think if they thought there was a potential lucrative market, the Ferengi would have been swarming into Federation space.

Maybe the Orion Syndicate and other pirates like the Nausicaans warned them away from Federation space and told them it would be bad for business.

Even legitimate merchants of the member species could have warned the Ferengi with the same message.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

A little ear-drum breaking might have gotten the message across.

 

[Orphalesion]

The stuff with the Borg and the Ferengi and all that is exactly why I'm not a fan of prequels in general. Most of the time they just can't resist adding popular stuff from later in the franchise, even though it causes all sorts of continuity awkwardness and fails in logic (other examples are the Robots appearing in the Star Wars prequels and the team-up with Storm in that issue of X-men hidden years)

 

[Coops]

Tom Paris and Trip both being really into crappy 1950s B-movies always felt like some self insert. Someone on that writing staff was way, way into that sort of stuff.

And it was over done on Voyager (but not as much as the not-Irish village full of not-Irish inhabitants) but, I must confess, it prompted me to start watching some of those old Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers shows from the 1930/40s and I thoroughly enjoyed doing so, make of that what you will.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

The writers used our past 50+ years ago instead of the character's past, chiefly because anything that originated 50+ years before the episode takes place would be just as new, futuristic, and alien as something that originated a year prior to the episode's events.

So 1950s movies, which to us in the 90s and 2000s seemed old, would also seem old (older) to our heroes.

 

[at Quark's]

The Organians. They seemed different in the ENT episode. In both TOS and ENT it seems they'd rather avoid contact with lower species, but still, in TOS they seemed a good deal more concerned with the well being of those they came into contact with.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Well, TOS's encounter does happen later. Opinions change.

 

[mithril]

Well, TOS's encounter does happen later. Opinions change.

the novels decided to explain it by having the ones seen in ENT be a sub-culture that were less isolationist and interested in observing alien cultures to learn more about how corporeal life lives.

 

[fireproof78]

The Organians. They seemed different in the ENT episode. In both TOS and ENT it seems they'd rather avoid contact with lower species, but still, in TOS they seemed a good deal more concerned with the well being of those they came into contact with.

I mean, even watching the episode my impression was that these particular Organians were to be kind of investigators in different life forms. They allude to studying other species, not just the Enterprise crew.