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ENTERPRISE design in the new film? (How many changes?)

The General Lee could have been a rusted-out Yugo for all I care--indeed, I probably would have preferred it that way.
 
ancient said:Yeah, bad example. I don't think anyone gives a shit about the General Lee.
On the other hand, I'd take Catherine Bach's Daisy over Jessica Simpson ANY day.

Though it might be fun to have both... so maybe that's also a bad example?
 
xortex said:
Doesn't classic means it doesn't change and shouldn't ? What part of that don't you understand. Less is more. Stop messin' with a work of art else we'd all be changing Beethoven symphonies into Salieri concertos.

Since Salieri was a contemporary of Mozart, I don't see how your analogy works. Especially considering that Beethoven was born in 1770, at the height of Salieri's best recognized works.

As I am sure you already know..;)
 
xortex said:
The damn thing is hanging in the Nasa air and space musuem. I consider that classic and iconic.

Actually, it's perched in a glass case in the lower level of the gift shop there.

I hope they don't change the outward appearance of the ship too much, but it's not a dealbreaker for me.
 
xortex said:
The damn thing is hanging in the Nasa air and space musuem. I consider that classic and iconic.

That doesn't make it so.

There are some marvelous and historic examples of early commercial aircraft on display at NASM as well. Nonetheless, I'd decline to book a commuter flight on any such "classic and iconic" plane.
 
The Stig said:
So long as the nacelle/saucer configuration is retained, no one will notice except the die-hards. Since they'll have to go see the movie a half-dozen times in order to catch every difference, it really doesn't matter how outraged they get.
AHA! You've seen through Paramount's dastardly scheme to get Trekkies to keep coming back for third and fourth screenings. Star Trek is sure to be a nitpicker's delight (or curse, depending on your POV).
 
Professor Moriarty said:
The Stig said:
So long as the nacelle/saucer configuration is retained, no one will notice except the die-hards. Since they'll have to go see the movie a half-dozen times in order to catch every difference, it really doesn't matter how outraged they get.
AHA! You've seen through Paramount's dastardly scheme to get Trekkies to keep coming back for third and fourth screenings. Star Trek is sure to be a nitpicker's delight (or curse, depending on your POV).

I've always maintained that the best possible business practice for Paramount would be to royally piss off the small but shrilly vocal Trek fan contingent on the internet. For one, as I've mentioned above, they're all going to see it anyhow so it really doesn't matter what they think. Second, the louder and more pissed off the internet uberfans are, the more likely the 'Average Joe' may go see the movie, if only to see what the fuss is about.

It's a win-win. :D
 
Professor Moriarty said:
The Stig said:
So long as the nacelle/saucer configuration is retained, no one will notice except the die-hards. Since they'll have to go see the movie a half-dozen times in order to catch every difference, it really doesn't matter how outraged they get.
AHA! You've seen through Paramount's dastardly scheme to get Trekkies to keep coming back for third and fourth screenings. Star Trek is sure to be a nitpicker's delight (or curse, depending on your POV).

and then they will release alternate nacelle screen/ballcap versions on DVD, requiring us to buy both versions.
 
Starship Polaris said:
It's important that the uniforms be rubber and have nipples sculpted into them.

and be dark red with little \S/ sewn in

the enterprise should have flames on the side aswell

Its a race to the finish to see if the Star Trek fans can make more noise and voice their hate louder than the Transformers fan's when they saw tin foil megatron.

Or any other fanbase who have had their iconic heroes and vehicles changed by hollywood. The only one that hasn't had any hate is the Ironman suit
 
Corran Horn said:
xortex said:
The damn thing is hanging in the Nasa air and space musuem. I consider that classic and iconic.

Actually, it's perched in a glass case in the lower level of the gift shop there.

I hope they don't change the outward appearance of the ship too much, but it's not a dealbreaker for me.

It'll be a dealbreaker for me if the ship exterior/interior are too different, beyond simple details (add the FJ phaser turrets to the top of the saucer!! The Enterprise can't survive on two forward phasers alone...). Ditto interior and uniforms. It was a dealbreaker for Transformers that Prime and Megatron were disgustingly ugly, for the sake of 'modern' tastes. I saw that once out of loyalty to the memory of Transformers, but couldn't go again because I thought each Transformer was ugly and not true to the original character (Bumblebee could...talk in the cartoon). So, add a little flash, i.e., have the monitors on the bridge show some real information that can change, but keep the look the same, and I'm good to go five or six times.

James
 
Samurai8472 said:
Starship Polaris said:
It's important that the uniforms be rubber and have nipples sculpted into them.

and be dark red with little \S/ sewn in

the enterprise should have flames on the side aswell

Its a race to the finish to see if the Star Trek fans can make more noise and voice their hate louder than the Transformers fan's when they saw tin foil megatron.

Or any other fanbase who have had their iconic heroes and vehicles changed by hollywood. The only one that hasn't had any hate is the Ironman suit

The Iron Man suit looks close enough to the most iconic red-gold armor that it doesn't look very different, kind of like the digital 1701 and the model - there were slight changes along the series from pilot to show, but the digital model is essentially the same ship, just added detail (hull plating).

James
 
Starship Polaris said:
xortex said:
The damn thing is hanging in the Nasa air and space musuem. I consider that classic and iconic.

That doesn't make it so.

There are some marvelous and historic examples of early commercial aircraft on display at NASM as well. Nonetheless, I'd decline to book a commuter flight on any such "classic and iconic" plane.
C'mon Dennis. The Wright brothers plane design is calssic. You're telling me you're not gonna fly it? Absurd! It's classic...s'all we need!
 
Cary L. Brown said:
ancient said:Yeah, bad example. I don't think anyone gives a shit about the General Lee.
On the other hand, I'd take Catherine Bach's Daisy over Jessica Simpson ANY day.

Though it might be fun to have both... so maybe that's also a bad example?

I say April Scott Daisy trumps them both!

And yes, I'd like to own all three. :devil:
 
Samurai8472 said:
Its a race to the finish to see if the Star Trek fans can make more noise and voice their hate louder than the Transformers fan's when they saw tin foil megatron.
Hmmm, your bring up an interesting point.

I am not a Transformers fan and know hardly anything about the franchise, but I have been eagerly looking forward to today's HD-DVD release of the movie and I'm having a "premiere night" this Friday with my friends who are also looking forward to seeing this (we don't go to public theaters anymore--we just wait for the shiny discs to come out).

Me and my friends know absolutely nothing about the backstory, history or prior physical appearances of any of the Transformer characters, other than the fact they somehow morph from cars and other vehicles--and yet we are all very much looking forward to seeing this movie. That's exactly what Paramount is hoping for with the Star Trek movie... bringing in a whole new audience that won't have any clue (and couldn't care less) what the Enterprise looked like 40 years ago.
 
Professor Moriarty said:
I am not a Transformers fan and know hardly anything about the franchise, but I have been eagerly looking forward to today's HD-DVD release of the movie and I'm having a "premiere night" this Friday with my friends who are also looking forward to seeing this (we don't go to public theaters anymore--we just wait for the shiny discs to come out).

Don't expect too much from that movie - it is boring as hell.
 
ST-One said:
Professor Moriarty said:
I am not a Transformers fan and know hardly anything about the franchise, but I have been eagerly looking forward to today's HD-DVD release of the movie and I'm having a "premiere night" this Friday with my friends who are also looking forward to seeing this (we don't go to public theaters anymore--we just wait for the shiny discs to come out).

Don't expect too much from that movie - it is boring as hell.
I guess I'll see for myself on Friday. My point, though, is that the design of the Transformers almost certainly will have absolutely no effect one way or the other on me and my friends, because (a) we have no preconceived notions of what the Transformers should look like and (b) I can't imagine that a robot design would have much of an effect on how I judge the movie's entertainment value.

Newcomers to Star Trek won't have any preconceived notions of the Enterprise's appearance either, other than perhaps a general idea of a saucer and some cigar shapes.
 
i grew up with the 80's cartoon transformers and was a big fan then.
when i saw the first Megatron and Prime pictures in the internet i was somewhat disappointed.
nontheless i went to see the movie and LOVED it! best movie for me this year, even better than spider-man 3 or pirates of the carribean 3.
i can easily accept that the robots on the screen are another incarnation of the same characters i've grown up with, and i'm sure i can accept the new Enterprise, be it very similar to the classic design or not.
i just wish the overall shape (nacelles, saucer, engineeringhull) stays roughly the same.
 
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