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Enterprise C got stuck in the wrong time!

That is correct...I remember the dialogue from Picard now he adds after the twenty years of war with the Klingons something along the lines or maybe it is the actual line "A Federation starship coming to the aide of a Klingon outpost...might've averted the last twenty years of war against them". I've butchered the line. It does seem though that prior to The Undiscovered County that the Narenda III incident was meant to be a fulcrum in the relationship between the Klingons and Federation. "Yesterday's Enterprise" is like the case for most fans probably my third favorite episode after "Best of Both Worlds Parts One and Two". I can't remember though...does Picard mention what happens to the Enterprise-C in the alternate timeline? The only thing I can remember is at the beginning of the episode Tasha Yar reports that the Enterprise C was lost with all hands twenty years (can't recall if she mentions how).

It was Wesley that said "that cruiser was destroyed over 20 years ago." Data corrects him by saying "Presumed destroyed." No one really knew what happened to the 1701C in the Alternate time line, only that she disappeared and was presumed destroyed.
 
Ah okay thanks for that then. One could argue then that the reason they weren't able to determine what happened to the Enterprise-C in their time line is because the incident that happened in our time line cause theirs didn't happen in theirs. It is possible that their Enterprise C was lost in the line of duty some other way though I won't dispute that. The point of Yesterday's Enterprise though in my opinion is what I mentioned before with Guinian's line that the whole thing was wrong. It was never meant to exist in the first place.
 
In "Redemption" Picard mentions that the ENT-C was destroyed at Narendra III. So in the normal timeline their sacrifice is remembered (either most of the Klingons escaped Narendra and told of the sacrifice or they drove off the Romulans). In the alternate universe, Narendra was destroyed so NO one knew about them being there.
 
Warships like the Enterprise would most likely fight on and do as much damage as possible to the enemy.
To what end? If the battle was hopeless in the sense that the Klingons would ultimately win, then any resistance would also be hopeless in the sense that it could not prevent the Klingons from continuing their aggression against those colonizers or other refugees, once they had won the war. It could make a dent in the Klingon military forces, but the dent would be meaningless in halting possible colonial slaughter, and would merely piss off the Klingons (or keep them pissed off) at the worst possible time.

What possible reason could there be for continuing the fight? What possible reason could there be for not surrendering?

Timo Saloniemi

Ummm...it was hopeless in Picard's eyes. Then again, Picard is French. Time to find a Brit/American captain at that point I guess..

Rob
 
Ah okay thanks for that then. One could argue then that the reason they weren't able to determine what happened to the Enterprise-C in their time line is because the incident that happened in our time line cause theirs didn't happen in theirs. It is possible that their Enterprise C was lost in the line of duty some other way though I won't dispute that. The point of Yesterday's Enterprise though in my opinion is what I mentioned before with Guinian's line that the whole thing was wrong. It was never meant to exist in the first place.
Okay. this statement is ignorant and borderline moronic. The reason they didn't know about the incident because the Enterprise C TIME TRAVELLED 20 years into the future.....:vulcan::vulcan:
 
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^ TBH, I tend to think Picard is half-French/half-English with bias towards his French side. His mother sounded French, his father English. :shrug:
 
^also, Picard talked about how his ancestors were one of the first to colonize Mars (Picard lineage according to Generations) suggesting he isn't that much French in the first place :)
 
Warships like the Enterprise would most likely fight on and do as much damage as possible to the enemy.
To what end? If the battle was hopeless in the sense that the Klingons would ultimately win, then any resistance would also be hopeless in the sense that it could not prevent the Klingons from continuing their aggression against those colonizers or other refugees, once they had won the war. It could make a dent in the Klingon military forces, but the dent would be meaningless in halting possible colonial slaughter, and would merely piss off the Klingons (or keep them pissed off) at the worst possible time.

What possible reason could there be for continuing the fight? What possible reason could there be for not surrendering?

Timo Saloniemi

Ummm...it was hopeless in Picard's eyes. Then again, Picard is French. Time to find a Brit/American captain at that point I guess..

Rob

"That'll be the day!"
 
How is my statement ignorant or borderline moronic? The Enterprise C traveled twenty years into an ALTERNATE FUTURE triggered the moment they time traveled. It wasn't twenty years of the Enterprise C's future which would have been our time line it was twenty years of an alternate time line that was created by their absence and inability to aide the Klingons at Narenda III.
 
How is my statement ignorant or borderline moronic? The Enterprise C traveled twenty years into an ALTERNATE FUTURE triggered the moment they time traveled. It wasn't twenty years of the Enterprise C's future which would have been our time line it was twenty years of an alternate time line that was created by their absence and inability to aide the Klingons at Narenda III.

As I understood it, it was a predestination paradox.

The 1701C was destined to travel into the future during it fights with the Romulans. That created a whole new time line where the 1701D was not an explorer, but a warship. She came across the 1701C's entry point and the rest of the story took place.

The return of the 1701C created a whole new time line new time line. One where Tasha lived and had a daughter. So the events in Yesterday's Enterprise changed, or eliminated 2 time lines.

The one we were watching up until Yesterday's Enterprise stayed like 99.9999% intact (percentage used to make a point and may not be at all accurate.) but it is still an alternate time line. The Alternate Klingon War time line was eliminated.

I think it would have been cool to have the new altered time line, the one where Tasha lived, show some minor and/or major differences that the 1701D crew was oblivious to, but we, the Audience, could see. Like the alternate bridge design, Wesley a full ensign, the 1701D referred to as a battle ship that was on detached exploration mission and so on. The events in Skin of Evil could have stayed the same since the 1701D was on a detached mission. Oh and Deanna could have started wearing a regulation uniform while on bridge duty, and change into civilian clothes for her therapy sessions.
 
What would be interesting would be if someone went to Romulus before "YE" and we saw Tasha or young Sela. That would prove it was a predestination paradox ala Terminator.

If not, then it's concluded that the entire Trekverse post-YE is in an altered (but not alternate) timeline.
 
Spock would be logical but how would he recognize Tasha unless out of curiosity when the Enterprise-D was launched he looked up the crew manifest and saw she was one of the senior staff members.
 
Again though wasn't Tasha essentially under house arrest? From what Sela explains to Picard and Data in Unification I got the impression that Tasha was a prisoner and attempted escape. Spock would not more than likely have any public views of her...and again the time period during which Tasha had been flung...2344 I don't think Spock had gone to Romulus just yet and again it would seem that Tasha didn't live long after going to the future.
 
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