^ While that is very interesting, I submit it's not what Star Trek was about. Star Trek was about the human experience, told through a Sci-Fi setting.
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I wish they would have switched to the Excelsior class when the Enterprise was destroyed instead of going with another Constitution class.
Enterprise has always been a state of the art ship, even in reality with the first nuclear aircraft carrier ad the space shuttle.
Enterprise has always been a state of the art ship, even in reality with the first nuclear aircraft carrier ad the space shuttle.
Man, that's hitting the nail right on the head. TOS was people with 1960s sensibilities-problems-enlightenment-bigotry-preferences-habits-whatever set in a detached environment that happened to be the 23rd century.
Kirk was no more a product of the 23rd century -- I'm assuming, of course -- than Matt Dillon was of the 19th. They were 1960s men. And thematically, TOS was no more about the 23rd century than "Gunsmoke" was about the 19th.
First thing I noticed about those images is that nearly every single light on the ship is on. It's especially so in the first shot, where it seems the lights are on in every single window in the rim of the saucer. To be more realistic, shouldn't some be lit, and some dark?
... but that last shot... that is schweeet.
We can argue details, and differences in presentation, but I have always loved how the movie ship looks in all of the movies. Included in that is the Excelsior. I just love the look and feel of those designs. Shame we never got to see them with the regularity of a weekly series...
Totally agree TMP was probarly only Star Trek movie who focus on Sci-fi storyline about human space experience or adventure exactly what Star Trek is all about that why Ent was so important in TMP evan Bob Wise himself wanted it shown as a charagher in TMP that other TOS movies didnt do that
I really enjoyed the scene in TWOK when Kirk arrives on the Enterprise, and Saavik takes the ship out. Horner's score really elevated that moment. The Enterprise wasn't nearly as impressive in TWOK but it was still an excuse for some cinematic bombast, like in TMP.
I wouldn't lump TWOK in the same category as the other films for the that reason, and other factors, such as the fresh approach to the characters, and the willingness to risk the "franchise" by killing Spock.
I wouldn't lump TWOK in the same category as the other films for the that reason, and other factors, such as the fresh approach to the characters, and the willingness to risk the "franchise" by killing Spock.
Different SFX techniques affected the look of the Enterprise between TMP and the other films, as well as stylistic decisions. Douglas Trumbull used a 'frontlight-backlight' matte system for TMP, where the model is basically shot against a black background, and then again as a silhouette against a white background to create a matte. ILM, on the other hand, used bluescreen, which was apparently easier to work with than frontlight-backlight, but had the disadvantage that it was troublesome to use with shiny objects.
The Enterprise model was very shiny.
As a result, one of the first things ILM did to the model was dull down the beautiful paint job so that it wouldn't reflect the bluescreen and make 'holes' in the mattes. So that's one of the main reasons for the different look of the ship from TWOK onwards - several coats of dulling spray.
The Enterprise model was very shiny.
As a result, one of the first things ILM did to the model was dull down the beautiful paint job so that it wouldn't reflect the bluescreen and make 'holes' in the mattes. So that's one of the main reasons for the different look of the ship from TWOK onwards - several coats of dulling spray.
Of course, the SFX footage in that scene is all from TMP so the visual majesty is entirely borrowed. Horner's bombastic (in a good way) score is great, though--almost as good as Goldsmith's (note I said almost) so your point is a valid one.
GodThingFormerly
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In what manner was the NCC-1701 ever "pampered" in either TOS or TMP? The latter even featured her engaged in a suicide mission to intercept a starfaring meatgrinder that made The Doomsday Machine look like a wind-up toy in comparison.
According to several posters here, Leonard Nimoy, in his director's commentary track on the ST:TSFS DVD, specifically stated that he felt far too much attention was given to the Enterprise in Pre-Bennett Trek at the expense of the actors, which was why he supported her destruction in the film. I don't have the DVD for obvious reasons, so please correct me if I am mistaken.
I hadn't noticed, particularly since Kirk had to be brow-beaten by McCoy into just considering the idea of regaining command of the Enterprise in ST:TWOK.
TGT
Another excellent point, TGT. The relationship between Kirk and his ship is a key component of the TOS Kirk character, and the overall idea of Kirk's isolation. In TMP, the love for the E is apparent, and still a key part of the character. There after, it disappears, to be replaced by self pity and hollow emotional distress. So Bennet and his boys not only screwed up the Enterprise, they screwed up Kirk as well.
I quite disagree. The whole point was that Kirk did belong with his ship, and he was killing himself by not being with her.
To me, they made Kirk's "pain" about being seperated from Starfleet, or not being in space, not specifically about the Enterprise. Kirk's love affair was specifically with the Enterprise, not with the general idea of being a starship commander. The TOS Kirk may have turned down command of a ship other than Enterprise. This feeling towords the E is evident in TMP, but shows up in none of the subsequent films.
In The Wrath of Khan, Kirk was too busy with keeping the ship in one piece and his crew alive to show feelings for his beautiful starship, especially since it is now Spock's ship. Kirk was only a guest until Khan showed up at which point Kirk took command.
In The Search for Spock, Kirk seemed devestated that the Enterprise was being decomissioned, thrilled when he stole it (haha, it's MY ship
), and then devestated again when he of all people was responsible for it's destruction.
Kirk didn't display the same emotion for the Enterprise-A, because it was a different ship. Naturally, he would respond to it differently. That's not to say he loved it any less.
In The Search for Spock, Kirk seemed devestated that the Enterprise was being decomissioned, thrilled when he stole it (haha, it's MY ship
), and then devestated again when he of all people was responsible for it's destruction.Kirk didn't display the same emotion for the Enterprise-A, because it was a different ship. Naturally, he would respond to it differently. That's not to say he loved it any less.
He just loved the Enterprise A differently.
Stealing that ship was choice... especially how he and the gang did it!
Stealing that ship was choice... especially how he and the gang did it!
No, I don't agree. In the start of The Wrath of Khan we see Kirk having accepted his duty to broader things than just commanding the Enterprise, serving the Fleet in -- presumably -- training the forthcoming crews and who knows whatever else is needed among Admirals. And he's accepted that even though while it may be good for the Fleet, it's awful for him. Kirk is chronically prone to putting duty above personal needs (it's probably his most defining trait, alongside a borderline depression); this would be simply yet another example of that.
McCoy argues that Kirk needs at least in this case to fight for what's better for him and not for what the call of duty demands. But he's always been one for not destroying the one called Kirk.
Here is some ultimate Ent TMP porn :thumbsup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2bRVrMOZM&mode=related&search=
p.s. message to Abrams and Michael Giacchino or who ever is going to compose for XI Try to top that if you can
p.s. message to Abrams and Michael Giacchino or who ever is going to compose for XI Try to top that if you can
^ Still gives me chills, after all this time and all the times I've seen it. I still remember the line from Roddenberry's novelization -
"But now she was whole, and beautiful; as beautiful as Aphrodite, when Zeus raised her naked from the sea."
That says it all.
"But now she was whole, and beautiful; as beautiful as Aphrodite, when Zeus raised her naked from the sea."
That says it all.
