Ent in TMP
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Pfeh. The scenes of her taking fire - especially the explosive decompression of the torpedo bay airlock - wrere brilliant.
It's all about the lighting, really. The lighting of Enterprise in TMP was fantastic. A good cross between being realistic about how much the ship should really show up in space while still needing to make it easily visible on screen. The lighting also showed off the pearlesque paint finish perfectly. The lighting added to the scale and dimension.
In the other movies, IMO, Enterprise was often too brightly lit, especially for being painted mostly white (the best example of that is given in the link in the posts above). It tended to look flat and not have the proper scale.
Another good example of poor lighting making a ship look like the model it is rather than a real ship is the scene in TUC where Excelsior is hit by the shock wave from the Praxis explosion. Too bright.
ETA: I mean the links given a couple of post up, now. Not the one above me that goes to TMP Enterprise.
In the other movies, IMO, Enterprise was often too brightly lit, especially for being painted mostly white (the best example of that is given in the link in the posts above). It tended to look flat and not have the proper scale.
Another good example of poor lighting making a ship look like the model it is rather than a real ship is the scene in TUC where Excelsior is hit by the shock wave from the Praxis explosion. Too bright.
ETA: I mean the links given a couple of post up, now. Not the one above me that goes to TMP Enterprise.
Lighting is part of it but I read that there was an extension added to the camera during TMP that added a lens further from the film and was much smaller in diameter and that is why the scale looks so good. If you saw my pics on my site I took some pics with my Razr phone with a very small diameter lens and other pics with my regular digital camera you can see the difference.
Nah, dude, I too LOVE that shot. You know what I've always noticed in that one? Even though it is a new Enterprise - essentially the same ship as before, she has such a different feel to her. I can't pinpoint what it is exactly, but she just has subtle differences to her that make her stand out when compared to her predecessor.
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Yep. That was a bigger shock and wound than Spock "dying."
Absolutely true. In TMP, she was the representation of the pinnicle of human achievement - the grandest, most powerful ship in the Federation. Bennett and company turned it into a clay pigeon - a space pinata for cheap thrills.
I tend to agree with you on this. Bottom line is Ent in TMP was managed by the great late oscar winner Robert Wise and his crew who were i think were more experiance in movies then Harve Bennet and Crew who had more TV experiance and never fully actived greatness off ENT in TMP in their moviessiskokid888 said:
Absolutely true. In TMP, she was the representation of the pinnicle of human achievement - the grandest, most powerful ship in the Federation. Bennett and company turned it into a clay pigeon - a space pinata for cheap thrills.
Vejur said:
I tend to agree with you on this. Bottom line is Ent in TMP was managed by the great late oscar winner Robert Wise and his crew who were i think were more experiance in movies then Harve Bennet and Crew who had more TV experiance and never fully actived greatness off ENT in TMP in their moviessiskokid888 said:
Absolutely true. In TMP, she was the representation of the pinnicle of human achievement - the grandest, most powerful ship in the Federation. Bennett and company turned it into a clay pigeon - a space pinata for cheap thrills.
It depends a lot on what you think Enterprise is, too. It is a beautiful design of sci-fi work. But, does that make it something to be pampered and oohed and ahhed about in its own right? Is it a hot house orchid?
Or, is it a vehicle around which action and adventure is built? A ship that's not afraid of danger or mixing it up?
Kirk's hot rod, so to speak.
I also think these production attitude differences towards Enterprise TMP and post-TMP are creating a false dichotomy. Just because the ship was fired on and heavily damaged in one movie, then destroyed in another doesn't mean it was any less "loved" by the producers. There is, after all, a utilitarian purpose for the ship beyond exploration. It can, and has to get dirty sometimes.
Certainly the love for the ship came through with the characters on the screen in those movies, too.
Franklin said:
Vejur said:
I tend to agree with you on this. Bottom line is Ent in TMP was managed by the great late oscar winner Robert Wise and his crew who were i think were more experiance in movies then Harve Bennet and Crew who had more TV experiance and never fully actived greatness off ENT in TMP in their moviessiskokid888 said:
Absolutely true. In TMP, she was the representation of the pinnicle of human achievement - the grandest, most powerful ship in the Federation. Bennett and company turned it into a clay pigeon - a space pinata for cheap thrills.
It depends a lot on what you think Enterprise is, too. It is a beautiful design of sci-fi work. But, does that make it something to be pampered and oohed and ahhed about in its own right? Is it a hot house orchid?
Or, is it a vehicle around which action and adventure is built? A ship that's not afraid of danger or mixing it up?
Kirk's hot rod, so to speak.
I also think these production attitude differences towards Enterprise TMP and post-TMP are creating a false dichotomy. Just because the ship was fired on and heavily damaged in one movie, then destroyed in another doesn't mean it was any less "loved" by the producers. There is, after all, a utilitarian purpose for the ship beyond exploration. It can, and has to get dirty sometimes.
Certainly the love for the ship came through with the characters on the screen in those movies, too.
Problem was Harve's attitude was it was just a prop. From Harve's (and a lot of others) view is that it's sci-fi so you need a spaceship but it does not matter what it looks like. It's all about charecterization. I think that destroys what sci-fi is all about. If it's just a drama in space then why put it in space if you can say the samething on earth? The Enterprise and Vejur in TMP represent something more then props they are what Sci-Fi is truly about. How does technology affect the way we live. What impact does it have on us.
That's why I don't buy into the "if you take the Sc-Fi element out of the story and it still works then you did it right," thinking. Sci-Fi is about the wonderous and the different and how it affects us.
