ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate!!!

[Nephandus]

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Posted by Masked Cucumber:
Really? The Voyager Forum is healthy enough and it used to be the "hive of infamy" (don't know if I am getting the Obi Wan Kenobi quote right ) that the Enterprise Forum has become. I have come to the conclusion that the Voyager trolls have migrated here."

Oh, and while discussion may generate traffic, it can only happen if the fans stick here. If they don't the trolls won't talk between themselves, they will just move.


[/QUOTE]

"a wretched hive of villainy" Don't mention it. I certainly didn't.

Actually, I was referencing a specific thread, started by VOY regulars lamenting the loss of meaty discussion - not that there is anything wrong with the silly fun stuff they normally talk about. Many of the regulars participated in it and said about as much as I said above, in a fairly sober and amicable discussion.

BTW, were you accusing me or someone specifically of trolling the VOY forum and now here?

 

[Masked Cucumber]

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Posted by Nephandus:

(snip)

BTW, were you accusing me or someone specifically of trolling the VOY forum and now here?

Who the heck made you think I was talking about you?

I was talking in general or did you miss the beginning of my post?

Please do not put words where there are none implied.

I remain,

The Masked Cucumber

 

[Nephandus]

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^^^
It was phrased as a question, not a statement - to give you the courtesy of a chance to clarify your point before anyone misunderstood it and responded in kind. No words were placed in your mouth at all.

 

[Htown]

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Sigh.

People, people, people.

It's "wretched hive of scum AND villainy". I thought for sure you all would know that. I mean, it's Star Wars, for pete's sake.

I'm very very disappointed in all of you.

"Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious..."

 

[Galactus]

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The problem with the Enterprise forum is that it does not require that posters at least like the show on some level. Because it does not do this it automatically mean that every post someone makes that is negative is gonna be argumentive from the beginning because believe it or not most of the posters in this forum actually like the show. If every single post that someone makes is negative what are they adding to discussion of this series. Nothing. They are simply trying to start a fire in a pleasant forest.

It makes no sense to have peopel watch a show they hate then come here to make posts here to complain about it. No reasonable person would think this is ok behavior yet it is tolerated here. It is not like this board is one big general forum about Star Trek in general, it is about Enterprise specifically.

You see many posters that don't even post in this forum because they don't like the show, yet they are still on this board. This is the rational behavior but not the one that is conveyed in this forum.

 

[Nephandus]

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Posted by Galactus: Because it does not do this it automatically mean that every post someone makes that is negative is gonna be argumentive from the beginning

Your post is negative, and it attacks other posters rather than the show. Do you believe it is not argumentative? I humbly suggest that you read this entire thread again - these things are discussed in depth already.

Posted by Galactus:
They are simply trying to start a fire in a pleasant forest.

Are you sure this is their intention? Do you really think they wake up each morning, twirl their greasy moustachios, and wonder how to carry out their evil plans?

Posted by Galactus:
It makes no sense to have peopel watch a show they hate then come here to make posts here to complain about it. No reasonable person would think this is ok behavior

And yet, it makes sense for you to complain about such behavior in this forum rather than simply ignoring them or going to another forum.

You do so even when complaining in such a manner is contrary to the rules, ignores the reasonable debate on the matter in the same mediation thread , and when you have to take time out of your day to do it.

So why do you complain about this instead of practicing what you preach and toddling off or simply zipping it? Maybe because you really aren't any better than the people you are criticizing, and because you have no problems with, or at least awareness of your apparent hypocricy?

 

[Lady Conqueror]

Re: ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate

Galactus - I don't think that calling people who dislike the show on a regular basis and then coming in here to comment on it as irrational is very helpful to discussion - especially in a mediation thread where we're trying to settle the differences so as to make a more enjoyable environment for all the posters regardless of their opinion.

That being said - this is a Star Trek board and so it attracts fans of all the different series. As long as they are respectful of the rules it doesn't seem so far-fetched that some may wish to pop into a forum of the series they may not have liked to state why on occasion.

And with ENT being the current product it's more likely to enjoy this sort of attention than the later series.

 

[Galactus]

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Posted by Nephandus:

Posted by Galactus: Because it does not do this it automatically mean that every post someone makes that is negative is gonna be argumentive from the beginning

Your post is negative, and it attacks other posters rather than the show. Do you believe it is not argumentative? I humbly suggest that you read this entire thread again - these things are discussed in depth already.

Posted by Galactus:
They are simply trying to start a fire in a pleasant forest.

Are you sure this is their intention? Do you really think they wake up each morning, twirl their greasy moustachios, and wonder how to carry out their evil plans?

Posted by Galactus:
It makes no sense to have peopel watch a show they hate then come here to make posts here to complain about it. No reasonable person would think this is ok behavior

And yet, it makes sense for you to complain about such behavior in this forum rather than simply ignoring them or going to another forum.

You do so even when complaining in such a manner is contrary to the rules, ignores the reasonable debate on the matter in the same mediation thread , and when you have to take time out of your day to do it.

So why do you complain about this instead of practicing what you preach and toddling off or simply zipping it? Maybe because you really aren't any better than the people you are criticizing, and because you have no problems with, or at least awareness of your apparent hypocricy?

It is pointless but yet I carry on. I kow all these things have been discussed in this thread already, but nothing has changed and nothing is gonna change.

I mean take you for instance. That weak argument about telling someone that is engaged in unreasonable behavior that they are doing something that is not reasonable is wrong and you should just ignore them.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE

It baffles me to no end how anyone can begin to rationalize such behavior. I am really about this close from stop posting in this forum period. Not that some of you would care. But I really would like to find a place that I could actually discuss the show with people that actually like the show without having to shovel through all the negative posts saying how much the show sucks and is crap.

Imagine not being about to do that in the Enterprise Forum of the biggest Star Trek forum on the net.

 

[TrekkieMom]

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Definition of Humor: Flaming on a mediation thread.

 

[Nephandus]

Re: ENT Forum Mediation Thread--Please Participate

Posted by Galactus:I mean take you for instance. That weak argument about telling someone that is engaged in unreasonable behavior that they are doing something that is not reasonable is wrong and you should just ignore them.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE

It baffles me to no end how anyone can begin to rationalize such behavior.

My God... OK . I'll just explain it. Once more from the top, for Galactus

The "weak argument" I made about your criticism, is the same argument you made about the others.

You are upset because you don't understand why people bust their ass to complain about something they don't like, instead of doing something else, and that they do this over and over again.

This is the same thing that you do though, in volunteering to read and to post to a BBS where you KNOW you will read criticisms of the show, KNOWING full well that they bother you, and knowing full well that there are fan sites such as brannonbraga.com, where criticism is not tolerated.

You could go there. You could do nothing. You could go for a walk. All these things are easier - and more 'rational' by the standards you've applied to others. But you don't. Instead, you post to a forum to complain about it - and you do so in the full knowledge that it is pointless. Hmm, who does that sound like

Do you understand what I'm saying about how the very action of you making an effort to bitch in futility that parts of this forum are not to your taste, makes your behaviour no different from that which you are complaining about?

 

[Stewey]

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What I find ironic, is when getting into an in-depth debate about continuity or some other aspect of the show, you have people throw the "its only a show" phrase at you and yet some of these same people mistake criticism of the show as trolling and react to those criticisms as if their mother was insulted, and I see that as a double standard.

Galactus the way I see things, you seem to be confusing criticism with trolling which is simply untrue in my opinion. You also seem to me to be judging people for being in the forum in the first place, constantly calling for those who you disagree with to justify themselves to you for being here in the first place.

I personally feel that nobody should have to justify their being here in the first place; I feel that questioning other people's motives and reasons for being here should be warnable because it comes under the category of discussing posters themselves rather than the show, which is what this forum is here for in the first place.

 

[Galactus]

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Posted by Stewey:
What I find ironic, is when getting into an in-depth debate about continuity or some other aspect of the show, you have people throw the "its only a show" phrase at you and yet some of these same people mistake criticism of the show as trolling and react to those criticisms as if their mother was insulted, and I see that as a double standard.

Galactus the way I see things, you seem to be confusing criticism with trolling which is simply untrue in my opinion. You also seem to me to be judging people for being in the forum in the first place, constantly calling for those who you disagree with to justify themselves to you for being here in the first place.

I personally feel that nobody should have to justify their being here in the first place; I feel that questioning other people's motives and reasons for being here should be warnable because it comes under the category of discussing posters themselves rather than the show, which is what this forum is here for in the first place.

Stewey you actually make good arguments about why you dislike ENT. But the point I keep trying to make and it keeps falling on deaf ears is that, why even watch the show in the first place. I mean of course you can do it but why bother. There are people that live with a 100+ cats in their house. Doesn't mean it is a good thing. If this was just a sci fi board or a general Star Trek forum, then I could at least understand why you would be there and complaining about ENT, like so many people here do in the General forum. But to come to the ENT forum to only complain about a show you do not like just doesn't make sense. To keep watching it does not make sense. It is like being 35 and still living at home with your parents. You can do it, but it wouldn't be something that the average person would think is a good idea or something you should do.

 

[Galactus]

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Posted by Nephandus:

Posted by Galactus:I mean take you for instance. That weak argument about telling someone that is engaged in unreasonable behavior that they are doing something that is not reasonable is wrong and you should just ignore them.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE

It baffles me to no end how anyone can begin to rationalize such behavior.

My God... OK . I'll just explain it. Once more from the top, for Galactus

The "weak argument" I made about your criticism, is the same argument you made about the others.

You are upset because you don't understand why people bust their ass to complain about something they don't like, instead of doing something else, and that they do this over and over again.

This is the same thing that you do though, in volunteering to read and to post to a BBS where you KNOW you will read criticisms of the show, KNOWING full well that they bother you, and knowing full well that there are fan sites such as brannonbraga.com, where criticism is not tolerated.

You could go there. You could do nothing. You could go for a walk. All these things are easier - and more 'rational' by the standards you've applied to others. But you don't. Instead, you post to a forum to complain about it - and you do so in the full knowledge that it is pointless. Hmm, who does that sound like

Do you understand what I'm saying about how the very action of you making an effort to bitch in futility that parts of this forum are not to your taste, makes your behaviour no different from that which you are complaining about?

You are not understanding me. If someone is trying to kill you and in defense of yourself you kill them, is that the same thing as murder?

 

[Stewey]

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Posted by Galactus:Stewey you actually make good arguments about why you dislike ENT. But the point I keep trying to make and it keeps falling on deaf ears is that, why even watch the show in the first place. I mean of course you can do it but why bother. There are people that live with a 100+ cats in their house. Doesn't mean it is a good thing. If this was just a sci fi board or a general Star Trek forum, then I could at least understand why you would be there and complaining about ENT, like so many people here do in the General forum. But to come to the ENT forum to only complain about a show you do not like just doesn't make sense. To keep watching it does not make sense. It is like being 35 and still living at home with your parents. You can do it, but it wouldn't be something that the average person would think is a good idea or something you should do.

You have opened threads and posed these types of questions before and the same people including me have responded to these questions with the same answers. You won't ever be satisfied with whatever answers are given because you simply don't want those you consider trolls being here in the first place, claiming it's your fun being interfered with.

You don't take into account that it's no fun having to justify yourself to people that have no business posing these types of questions in the first place. You certainly wouldn't want to have your reasons for coming here questioned at every turn just because the person(s) you respond to disagree with your arguemnts and also don't want you there in the first place.

I certainly won't stand for having my reasons for coming here to be scrutinised and questioned by people who have no right to do so and furthermore has nothing to do with the show. We are here to debate and discuss this show, not each other and thats the point. You can wonder until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day you have to accept that everyone is allowed to come here provided they abide by the forum rules.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Posted by 8-4-7-2:
If you had spend more time here you might have realized that 90% of Dennis' posts consist of personal attacks and off topic remarks.

That's untrue, to put it politely.

 

[Galactus]

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Posted by Stewey:

Posted by Galactus:Stewey you actually make good arguments about why you dislike ENT. But the point I keep trying to make and it keeps falling on deaf ears is that, why even watch the show in the first place. I mean of course you can do it but why bother. There are people that live with a 100+ cats in their house. Doesn't mean it is a good thing. If this was just a sci fi board or a general Star Trek forum, then I could at least understand why you would be there and complaining about ENT, like so many people here do in the General forum. But to come to the ENT forum to only complain about a show you do not like just doesn't make sense. To keep watching it does not make sense. It is like being 35 and still living at home with your parents. You can do it, but it wouldn't be something that the average person would think is a good idea or something you should do.

You have opened threads and posed these types of questions before and the same people including me have responded to these questions with the same answers. You won't ever be satisfied with whatever answers are given because you simply don't want those you consider trolls being here in the first place, claiming it's your fun being interfered with.

You don't take into account that it's no fun having to justify yourself to people that have no business posing these types of questions in the first place. You certainly wouldn't want to have your reasons for coming here questioned at every turn just because the person(s) you respond to disagree with your arguemnts and also don't want you there in the first place.

I certainly won't stand for having my reasons for coming here to be scrutinised and questioned by people who have no right to do so and furthermore has nothing to do with the show. We are here to debate and discuss this show, not each other and thats the point. You can wonder until you are blue in the face, but at the end of the day you have to accept that everyone is allowed to come here provided they abide by the forum rules.

If I went to a Buffy board and posted everyday and said how much I hate Buffy and how it failed to rise to high standards, and people questioned why I was watching the show and then posting on the board, I would have no problem with them questioning my motives. You are not separate from the opinions and ideas you put forth, in fact your ideas and opinions, along with your actions define every human being. So the poster is just as important the post that is made.

The people that dislike Enterprise do not separate the show from its creators so why should a different standard be applied to you and your posts. You make the post. You want to question the show and its creators and their talent level, why should I not be able then to question your posts and the poster. There is no difference. I know that the mods and board rules say you can't do this but it is still being done. I don't know about you, but I know plenty of other people every single week attack B&B along with the quality of Enterprise. I know this was brought up earlier in this thread yet it still goes on.

 

[Borgminister]

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It is puzzling why anyone would, for 2 plus years, watch each and every episode of a show they will never, ever under any circumstances enjoy on any level, and then waste even more time extensively stating their reasons why. When at some point I realize that I will never like a show, I will stop watching and move on to something else. I'm not advocating anyone else do that, but it seems to me a reasonable thing to do.

On the other hand, those who post "A++++++", while worthy of rolling eyes and, if you're in a particularly bad mood, condescending smirks, are easier to justify--they are posting about a show they enjoy on a Trek BBS. It is not a horrible ordeal for them to sit through the show, they derive something positive from the experience, and then bring their bubbly selves here to extoll the virtues of the show.

However, both extremes are certainly welcome to post on the BBS. One must simply learn how to skip posts one already knows in advance are foregone conclusions. To be specific, and I will, since it serves a point, I used to skip over Reno's reviews because it seemed nary a positive one was ever forthcoming, which I found ridiculous. Then there did come a few, even an A, and I realized there is a balance in those reviews somewhere, even though I might not agree all the time. There was an open mind that would either be entertained or disgusted.

With certain posters, you know they will never be entertained, only disgusted, so why subject yourself to that? It is too bad there is no "ignore" feature on this BBS, but there you have it. Exercise discipline and just avoid the negative broken records, that's all. Because this "mediation" stuff is a laugh anyway--they have a right to post no matter what you say, so what's the use? Your protestations serve no purpose in the end.

 

[Nephandus]

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Posted by Galactus: The people that dislike Enterprise do not separate the show from its creators so why should a different standard be applied to you and your posts. You make the post. You want to question the show and its creators and their talent level, why should I not be able then to question your posts and the poster.

So then, you are fine with us not holding back, and saying what we really think about you personally Galactus ? Fair is fair right? It's ok to discuss you if you persist in discussing other posters? Do you think this will be good discussion for the forum, and for your self-esteem?

What I don't get, is that Stew has already been invited to read the thread where all these topics were covered, he says he did, and doesn't care, he's received a friendly already - in the friggin mediation thread, some people have attempted to discuss it rationally with him, and he still persists. At what point does this turn warnable?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

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Posted by Borgminister:
It is puzzling why anyone would, for 2 plus years, watch each and every episode of a show they will never, ever under any circumstances enjoy on any level, and then waste even more time extensively stating their reasons why. When at some point I realize that I will never like a show, I will stop watching and move on to something else. I'm not advocating anyone else do that, but it seems to me a reasonable thing to do.

I find this puzzling as well, and have said so on several occasions.

 

[Nephandus]

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Posted by Borgminister:
It is puzzling why anyone would, for 2 plus years, watch each and every episode of a show they will never, ever under any circumstances enjoy on any level, and then waste even more time extensively stating their reasons why.

They do it for the same reason people come to a forum for 2 plus years to bitch about the people in it.

Really though, how many of the people here have never enjoyed a single episode. Less than you think, I'd warrant - if it mattered - but it doesn't. And if you consider the whole ouvre of Trek to be part of the same story - then considerably less.