Didn't "Kirok" have a child with Miramanee on Amerind? The mother and child died, as I recall, but he did father at least one child other than David Marcus.
Ensigns and other ranks
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Didn't "Kirok" have a child with Miramanee on Amerind? The mother and child died, as I recall, but he did father at least one child other than David Marcus.
That we know of. That's the real reason why Kirk wanted to stay in command of the Enterprise; its hard to serve someone for child support when they're on a ship that can go warp 9.
That we know of. That's the real reason why Kirk wanted to stay in command of the Enterprise; its hard to serve someone for child support when they're on a ship that can go warp 9.
There might be some truth in that.
One problem is before O'Brien was made CPO O'Brien chief usually referred to the assignment. Most noticed the chief engeinner and transporter chief. I forgot the episode but early in TNG's run Captain Picard wasa negotiating on behalf of his crew and called them his officers, not my ships crew. At the time I just gave it a pass and said okay they call Petty Officers, Officers. After all the O in NCO is Officer.
The major problem with Chief O'Brien was the staff command position he held. Engineering Ensigns on DS9 took orders from him, except when they wanted to make the point the Nog out ranked him.
It seems likely that Starfleet has less of an obsession with rank than the modern military, and it is used more to establish position.
We see Kirk in the new movie promoted fstraight to Captain, and presumably the very young Spock made Commander pretty quickly as well, we even have a 17yr old Ensign.
In DS9 O'Brien is treated as a senior officer, despite his non-com rank. They seem to have ceremonial rules regarding rank (a Captain commanding a ship deserves the same size quarters as a Rear Admiral in one DS9 ep) but ultimately position holds sway.
Nog TECHNICALLY outranks O'Brien, but there is little likelihood in the modern military that a Sgt. Major would be treated as inferior by a junior Lt!
I'm not sure if it is the sign of the "modern" military, depending on the definition of modern. just a matter of morale and managing people since the buying of ranks ended seniority has been a dominating factor. Presumably if Starfleet is made up of the best of the best the disruption of those left behind in a Kirk or Spock multi-rank jump will question why do they serve such an organization where their personal merits are ignored.
and yes that junior officer walks carefully when a senior NCO speaks but part of the officers development is to figure out when the NCO is passing the commanders thoughts and when the NCO is giving advice to the junior officer. The young officer is always "in command" in order to teach him the seriousness that will come when the nobody holds his hand. As ultimate responsibility falls
Yeah, it was weird how the Chief was barking orders left and right at Ensigns. I'm just going to chalk this one up to not having a military adviser as well
An NCO can give orders to commissioned officers if they are assigned to his command. My friend has a grandfather who was a Gunny in the Marines, and he loved to tell the story of how at one time two 2Lts who were assigned to him walked into his office without saluting and he chewed them out and made them walk out and walk right back in and salute.
Yeah, it was weird how the Chief was barking orders left and right at Ensigns. I'm just going to chalk this one up to not having a military adviser as well
An NCO can give orders to commissioned officers if they are assigned to his command. My friend has a grandfather who was a Gunny in the Marines, and he loved to tell the story of how at one time two 2Lts who were assigned to him walked into his office without saluting and he chewed them out and made them walk out and walk right back in and salute.
You were told a sea story my friend. Marines don't salute indoors.
Calling bullshit on that one. At no point in my time in the military have I ever seen that. Now it isn't unlikely for a junior officer to be chewed out by an NCO, but it's done in a certain way and not in the way you describe or for that reason. What would usually happen if there was an issue is the NCO would say "Sir, you did this this this and that" and then inform the CO of whatever the issue is. It would then be the CO who really lays in on the officer that screwed up.Yeah, it was weird how the Chief was barking orders left and right at Ensigns. I'm just going to chalk this one up to not having a military adviser as well
An NCO can give orders to commissioned officers if they are assigned to his command. My friend has a grandfather who was a Gunny in the Marines, and he loved to tell the story of how at one time two 2Lts who were assigned to him walked into his office without saluting and he chewed them out and made them walk out and walk right back in and salute.
Also, you don't salute an NCO when you report to them with the exception being at a formation. And even then, it would be a junior NCO saluting a senior NCO not an officer saluting an NCO
Now it is entirely possible for an NCO to be in charge of something and when you own a task then it is your baby, but it is very unlikely that the NCO would be given a staff officers to order around
Yup they put that emphasis on "sir" that is unmistakable. In the Army in my era they would also keep saying "lieutenant" instead of the more common "sir' or "eL Tee" which was used in normal conversation. When the tone of voice changed the young leader knew it was time to reconsider his position.Calling bullshit on that one. At no point in my time in the military have I ever seen that. Now it isn't unlikely for a junior officer to be chewed out by an NCO, but it's done in a certain way and not in the way you describe or for that reason. What would usually happen if there was an issue is the NCO would say "Sir, you did this this this and that" and then inform the CO of whatever the issue is. It would then be the CO who really lays in on the officer that screwed up.Yeah, it was weird how the Chief was barking orders left and right at Ensigns. I'm just going to chalk this one up to not having a military adviser as well
An NCO can give orders to commissioned officers if they are assigned to his command. My friend has a grandfather who was a Gunny in the Marines, and he loved to tell the story of how at one time two 2Lts who were assigned to him walked into his office without saluting and he chewed them out and made them walk out and walk right back in and salute.
Also, you don't salute an NCO when you report to them with the exception being at a formation. And even then, it would be a junior NCO saluting a senior NCO not an officer saluting an NCO
Now it is entirely possible for an NCO to be in charge of something and when you own a task then it is your baby, but it is very unlikely that the NCO would be given a staff officers to order around
