Endgame's End

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Photon, May 17, 2007.

  1. exodus

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    Trek is different things to different people.

    Some see it as a guide to a better way of life, others see it as pure fiction.
     
  2. kimc

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    I agree. That would have been the tragic irony of the arc. At the end of "Human Error" Seven beleived she could never be fully human thanks to the emotional dampening chip. However, just as the Cowardly Lion had been couragious all along the fact that Seven would have felt strongly enough about the crew to give her life for them DESPITE the chip would have been her ultimate victory.

    Instead, the character who did end up sacrificing herself for the crew was Admiral Janeway. Since they obviously couldn't appear in the Alpha Quadrant with two Janeway's that solution seemed a little too obvious, imo. You had to figure she was doomed once she made the jump in time which to me pulled the emotional punch of her death.
     
  3. KitchenWitch

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    ^ Then if it's a sign of someone's humanity to sacrifice themselves for the crew, why not Harry? Or Tom?

    Hey, *there* is a dramatic exit. Just before his daughter is born, Tom sacrifices himself for the crew, achieving his final redemption for his past misdeeds!

    After all, you have to die to be redeemed, right?

    And just imagine what a tearjerker that ending would have been--the irony that Tom did indeed end up leaving B'Elanna in the most permanent of ways. I can hear the violins now...

    But, no... It's not Tom who's supposed to be the sacrificial lamb. It's Seven.

    For some reason, she's the *only* character that people argue must die to redeem herself.

    Sorry, folks, but it still seems like there's something else at work, here... ;)
     
  4. Computer

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    For me its a little bit of both but that line was me quoting KitchenWitches own words to make the point.
     
  5. Computer

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    Since EndGame includes the Borg it makes sense that someone with a more personal connection to Plot A be the person to die. The writers never built up the relationship with the Borg for other characters as they did 7 and Janeway.

    Im looking at it from a logical plot point of view your just arguing in the perspective of a character.

    I loved 7's character but I also like a good story and considering the Voyager cast probably has no future other than Janeway in the Trekverse I dont see why your being so negative about ONE possible scenario.
     
  6. KitchenWitch

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    Maybe because I didn't find Endgame particularly horrible, so I didn't feel it *needed* to be rewritten. Also because I've seen the argument that Seven Must Die a hundred times before (including in the above-mentioned fanfic contest, in which participants were to kill off Seven for no reason other than fun, in the most disgusting manner possible--for entertainment, ya know), and because when Endgame aired, it was still up in the air as to whether there'd be appearances by Voyager crew in any films.

    And, most of all, IN MY OPINION (we are allowed to have our own, right?), killing off Seven would not have been a good story for the reasons I've already outlined. It's not what I look for in Trek.

    If I want doom and gloom, there is plenty of great entertainment out there. Trek, for me, has always been an optimistic view of the future, and killing off a character in order that she *finally* achieves redemption (as if she hasn't helped the crew on numerous occasions) doesn't fit into that optimistic future.

    Obviously, your mileage varies. There is room on this board for differing opinions, right? Or are we now arguing that IDIC can't even exist in the fandom?
     
  7. Computer

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    Well gee im not sure, saying my scenario is the "absolute opposite of what Star Trek is all about" doesnt leave a whole lot of room for different opinions does it?

    You dont think 7 should die and I do. 2 different opinions case closed.
     
  8. Charles Trip Tucker III

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    I felt it needed to be rewritten, but not to the extent that the story would change. The series finale needed a little bit more effort into it. The only major change I would make is having the final scene feature Voyager landing on Earth and the crew exiting with Janeway saying, "We're home." That'd be more dramatic than Voyager escoted to Earth, eh?

    I would argue Seven has redeemed herself by joining the Voyager crew. She had numerous opportunities to rejoin the Borg, but she never did. I don't count "Dark Frontier," because she was blackmailed. Come back or we'll assimilate Voyager! Nice... :wtf: Anyway, I like the concept of killing off a major character in a TV series. In the case of Seven, her death would be a self sacrifice, not an act of redemption, because... she's already redeamed herself by helping Voyager fight the Borg.
     
  9. Computer

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    ^^ As long as we still get to see Voyager come flying through the flames of an exploding Borg vessle that works for me Trip. :D
     
  10. Athlor

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    I remember the a story summary of Endgame was posted before the episode aired. I was one of those who were against it. But after seeing it I changed my mind. I loved it.
    Although I still wonder and would like to see something of Star Trek with both the Voyager home and, from DS9, the Cardassian Empire obliviated.
     
  11. Tino

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    Yup, I see it the same way. U.S.S. Voyager was shown a couple of seconds with the other spaceship and there it ended. Very sad. I would have loved to see an animation where the ship flies down to San Francisco and lands or something.