Endgame Ending

[vas2009]

Captain Janeway knew what she was doing. She improvised... like a good Captain...

There is a Borg sphere chasing Voyager and then...

: Aft armour is down to six percent.
KIM: Hull breaches on decks six through twelve.
PARIS: I can't stay ahead of them, Captain.
: The armour is failing.
CHAKOTAY: Where's the nearest aperture?
: Approximately thirty seconds ahead, but it leads back to the Delta quadrant.
JANEWAY: Mister Paris, prepare to adjust your heading. PARIS: Yes, ma'am.

We all think she's gonna lead them back to the DQ... but Janeway had a better Idea cuz this happens...

At Star Fleet Command
Admiral Paris: The Borge are coming AHHH!

Back on the bridge...
JANEWAY: Mister Paris, what's our position?
PARIS: Right where we expect it to be.
: The transwarp network has been obliterated, Captain.
JANEWAY: We'll celebrate later. Mister Tuvok?

Tuvok drops a bomb (topedo) inside! The sphere explodes! They fly out!

Fantastic.

 

[Gaith]

From one of the two definitive Endgame reviews:

What the hell happened?

I don't even understand the ending. As the Voyager is making a run for it, first the chasing Borg Sphere's doors open, and then Voyager says their damage is too great and they can't keep ahead of the pursuing Borg ship. The next Transwarp Hub opening lead back to the Delta Quadrant so they didn't take it. Instead, we then see the Voyager all calm with no battles anymore, followed by Federation ships attacking the Sphere, which then explodes as Voyager flies through the burning debris. I don't get it. Were they behind the Sphere? Were they inside it? There didn't look like there was enough room inside to hold Voyager, and the Borg surely would have had weapons inside if needed. If Voyager was on the inside, they still would have been rocked a bit by 18 Federation ships blasting away. And with the Transwarp Hub exploding behind them in the tunnel, Voyager couldn't stop to let the Borg Sphere pass. I'm confused. Either outcome clearly had options for cool scenes. What we get is confusion.

And Tom Paris replying with the line: "We're right where you would expect us to be" didn't clarify the situation either. It was poorly edited, poorly executed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

So they were all killed, but the sphere we saw was really a Voyager factory quickly fabricating a new ship staffed by Borg Sympathetic replicants?

I like it when the bad guys win.

 

[Gaith]

Enterprise fans hate that their finale is a holodeck program. Voyager fans wish that theirs was!

 

[USS Excelsior]

One potential plot hole is how would Admiral Janeway know that it was a Borg Transwarp hub since even she herself abandoned it at the time and didn't go in.

I suppose it's possible that she found that out somehow after the fact.

 

[Angel4576]

In many ways Engame was the 'appropriate' ending to the series - it was a disappointment. I don't always approve of the 'happy' ending, but considering that they'd got the ship back to the AQ, they may as well have gone the whole way and shown the aftermath of their return.

Doubly disappointing that they took one of the truly great episodes of Voyager, Timeless, and rehashed it, yet somehow made it NOT work. Muppets.

 

[Guy Gardener]

One potential plot hole is how would Admiral Janeway know that it was a Borg Transwarp hub since even she herself abandoned it at the time and didn't go in.

I suppose it's possible that she found that out somehow after the fact.

No, she went in, saw a cube: got scared... Saw a hundred more cubes: PISSED HER UNIFORM, about turn'd and ran away. Ran. In the future janeway talked about how Harry wanted to go back in and do all sorts of horrible things to that hub, but Janeway pussed out and took the long way home because she was more sensible than her kid ensign who was an idiot who thought bogg standard Voyager could fight a hundred Cubes and win.

Further more, she knew it was a Hub because she says some thing like "That's a hub, Seven once told me that there were 6 of those things spread out across the galaxy, and by gum that's one of them."

How hard would it have been for that conversation to actually have happened a few episodes beforehand rather than pulling it out of their ass?

 

[USS Excelsior]

I thought they perceived it as natural wormholes at first and continued to believe so up until they reach the hub and Admiral Janeway kept that from them so they wouldn't refuse to go in.

 

[Guy Gardener]

SEVEN: The emissions are occurring at the centre of the nebula. There appear to be hundreds of distinct sources.
KIM: Which could translate to hundreds of wormholes. SEVEN: The radiation is interfering with our sensors, but if Ensign Kim's enthusiasm turns out to be justified, it would be the most concentrated occurrence of wormholes ever recorded. JANEWAY: Any idea where they lead? KIM: Not yet, but if just one of them leads to the Alpha quadrant. PARIS: Who knows, Harry? It might take us right into your parents' living room. JANEWAY: Alter course, Mister Paris. Ensign, when you speak to your mother tell her we may need her to move the sofa.

2 minutes later...

JANEWAY: What is it? TUVOK: I'm detecting a tritanium signature, bearing three four two, mark five five. PARIS: Whatever it is, it's too close. JANEWAY: Evasive manoeuvres. CHAKOTAY: Is it a ship? TUVOK: Possibly. KIM: Another tritanium signature, right on top of us. JANEWAY: Tom! (Borg cube passes) Get us out of here now.

Nebula? Wormholes? Yay! Cube. Fuck! Run!

The Admiral wanted to run in and use a transwarp conduit already pointed to the AQ. Home. Nothing fancy. The captain said "Fuck that, I want to frack the mother fucker good and dead. I like it when things go boom. BOOM! See? Satyisfying."

The Admiral thumps her foot "No, no no this is not what I wanted! No! Why must you be such a difficult bitch! If I wanted to blow up the hub I would have brought the right equipment with me to blow up the hub, but I didn't, lets just go home. PLease."

But her younger self pooh poohs that idea "Look darling, I am always right, so you can do this my way or I'll kick you out an air lock. We're going to blow up the hub and go home like I should have done with the array seven years ago becuase this stupid quardrant is giving me the trots."

(At least that's how I remember it.)

 

[USS Excelsior]

Off the top of my head I remember dialogue where Janeway asks why didn't you tell me, and Admiral Janeway saying that she remembers how self righteous she used to be. Implying that she knew it was a hub and must have found out about it long after the fact that it was there.

 

[exodus]

As far as the "Bat Armor".
I guess Star Wars nor Tim Burton's Batman exist in the Trek universe. Between that and the Millennium Gate, Star Trek is totally not a possability for our furture anymore.

Not necessarily -- there's no Millennium Gate in Indiana, but I bet there's already five in Dubai

Oh, you mean India-anna.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Off the top of my head I remember dialogue where Janeway asks why didn't you tell me, and Admiral Janeway saying that she remembers how self righteous she used to be. Implying that she knew it was a hub and must have found out about it long after the fact that it was there.

You mean this?

JANEWAY: I want to know why you didn't tell me about this.
ADMIRAL: Because I remember how stubborn and self-righteous I used to be. I figured you might try to do something stupid.
JANEWAY: We have an opportunity to deal a crippling blow to the Borg. It could save millions of lives.
ADMIRAL: I didn't spend the last ten years looking for a way to get this crew home earlier so you could throw it all away on some intergalactic goodwill mission.

 

[USS Excelsior]

"JANEWAY: I want to know why you didn't tell me about this. "

I guess the response was that the Admiral did know about it, and chose not to tell Janeway and then gets called out on it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

A natural phenomenon consisting of the clustering of thousands of wormholes guarded by a fleet of Borg Cubes compared to a space station regulating a hub of thousands of transwarp conduits guarded by a Fleet of Borg Cubes.

Rii-ii-iiight.

Did I mention that the Janeways didn't meet up till three days after she ran away from the nebula where the Hub was nested? Besides one of my pet theories has always been that the Admiral supplied a bullshit plan to reverse-psycholigize heryoungerself into suggesting the attack on the Hub because Janeway doesn't do what other people tell her to almost ever.

 

[Jakks]

It worked for me, except I wanted another half hour to show the celebration on Earth of Voyager's crew safe return.

I whole heartily agree with you on this.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Busting out of a Borg Sphere in front of an army of federation ships has to be the coolest entrance ever.

Someone make an motion Avatar... PLEASE!!

Here's a starter. Almost 600KB at 256 colors. I have one with 16 colors, but that one's still 240KB. I wish I could figure out how to compress these things without losing so much quality.

 

[BlobVanDam]

I got worried when I saw 600MB. Turns out it's KB, luckily.

And I quite liked Endgame. Much like the rest of Voyager, it had its obvious faults, but it was still one of the better episodes imo. My gripes were with what wasn't included, rather than what was. After 7 years of discoveries and achievements, sparing a little bit of time for recognition after returning home would have been nice.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There I go again Last short week for 4 months and my brain is elsewhere.

But an AV here needs to be 70KB or less, so there's still a ways to go.

 

[BlobVanDam]

[off topic]

You'll have no chance of getting that animation to 70kb unless you drop some frames. Try dropping every second frame, but double the frame time to keep the speed. If you're using Photoshop, the lossy option can also really help the run length compression without sacrificing too much colour depth.

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[Ar-Pharazon]

That was imported into CS3 with every 2nd frame dropped. And like I said, even going down to 16 colors only got me to 240KB.

It's still 56 frames to get the proper scene. I'll give it another go later.