Endgame Ending

[USS Excelsior]

One thing that confuses me at the end is when getting home if they expected to end up back in the Delta Quadrant when they were to take the next turn, or that they knew they had been gobbled up by the Borg sphere and knew they had to blast their way out.

But despite being gained on and gobbled up perhaps they expected the Sphere to have ended up in the Delta Quadrant as well so they'd expect to be there when they destroyed the Sphere.

 

[ThomQ]

They don't take the conduit back to the Alpha Quadrant, but instead, they hide Insinde/under/above/behind the sphere.. That'ss what Janeway means with "are we where we should be?". In 2010 this might be confusing, but back then it was one mind boggling Plot twist :P

 

[froot]

Yeah, that was meant to throw the viewers off at the last second - they knew where they were the whole time.

 

[AuntKate]

I still wish they'd ended up back in the DQ, or, at least, way out in the BQ. Much better ending.

 

[Galileo7]

It worked for me, except I wanted another half hour to show the celebration on Earth of Voyager's crew safe return.

 

[USS Excelsior]

They could have done away with the Time Travel shit, find a way for Voyager to fight their way into the hub and also plot to destroy it, in Part 1.

Part 2 could have been about they got home but a few Borg vessels got through and have to fight them off and have their celebration afterward in the same episode.

 

[froot]

I approve of all three of the above posts ^

I think everyone would have liked something like this.

 

[exodus]

I approve of all three of the above posts ^

I think everyone would have liked something like this.

..and give us exactly what we expect.


(Yawn)

At least "Endgame" (good or bad) as it is keeps us talking.
I think if we got those conclusions, this forum would be as dull as DS9's.
Just my POV, of course.


However, I would do away with the "Bat Armor".
That was cheesy.

 

[jimoinj]

I agree taking time travel out would have been far preferable, and better still having a battle with the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant before coming home to a celebration. The ending was far too abrupt. Furthermore, the future upgrades to Voyager (god mode) were just ridiculous and made any threat to the crew meaningless. The Borg had more reason to fear Voyager than vice versa. Not an ingredient for excitement.

Most of all though, they really needed to show the crew arriving home, the fireworks and emotions...given it a chance to sink in, instead of just showing them approaching earth followed by credits. I know the fireworks were shown at the beginning, but it was an alternative reality 20 years later and hardly counted. It's the only series for which I've felt compelled to get the follow-up novel to satisfy the intense disappointment I had with the ending.

 

[USS Excelsior]

DS9 had far better send offs in its finale. In Voyager only Neelix gets a proper send off.

 

[froot]

I approve of all three of the above posts ^

I think everyone would have liked something like this.

..and give us exactly what we expect.


(Yawn)

At least "Endgame" (good or bad) as it is keeps us talking.
I think if we got those conclusions, this forum would be as dull as DS9's.
Just my POV, of course.


However, I would do away with the "Bat Armor".
That was cheesy.

Awww, I loved the silly Bat Armor I'm a sucker for neato CG effects, though. I guess Endgame does keep us talking, huh

I did like Neelix's send-off as well. I actually really enjoyed Homestead and felt that it fit in very, very well near the end of the series. While I didn't enjoy the last bit of Season 7 overall, I think that was a really great piece of the homecoming arc.

 

[The_Baroness]

While I am glad they got home, I agree it could have gone better. Either show them at home, or don't get them home at all.

In fact a Quantum Leap style "USS Voyager never returned home" style ending would have been unexpected and would leave something for the imagination.

 

[Cyke101]

After 7 years of investment on the viewers' part, and 7 years of the crew waxing nostalgic about home, the show deserved to have their aftermath, I think.

Or, if some here wanted to go unexpected but still wanted conversation out of the episode, then yeah, the Quantum Leap bit would have been great as well.

 

[exodus]

I approve of all three of the above posts ^

I think everyone would have liked something like this.

..and give us exactly what we expect.


(Yawn)

At least "Endgame" (good or bad) as it is keeps us talking.
I think if we got those conclusions, this forum would be as dull as DS9's.
Just my POV, of course.


However, I would do away with the "Bat Armor".
That was cheesy.

Awww, I loved the silly Bat Armor I'm a sucker for neato CG effects, though. I guess Endgame does keep us talking, huh

I did like Neelix's send-off as well. I actually really enjoyed Homestead and felt that it fit in very, very well near the end of the series. While I didn't enjoy the last bit of Season 7 overall, I think that was a really great piece of the homecoming arc.

Yeah, I find the last bit of s7 a little silly too.
Some how, I'm wondering if it's on purpose. Like the cast & crew are having a bit of fun before saying "Good-Bye". In "Renissance Man" you can almost see them trying not to laugh in-between lines. I'm serious, rewatch it and keep that in mind. I swear, you'll see it.


As far as the "Bat Armor".
I guess Star Wars nor Tim Burton's Batman exist in the Trek universe. Between that and the Millennium Gate, Star Trek is totally not a possability for our furture anymore.

 

[Cyke101]

As far as the "Bat Armor".
I guess Star Wars nor Tim Burton's Batman exist in the Trek universe. Between that and the Millennium Gate, Star Trek is totally not a possability for our furture anymore.

Not necessarily -- there's no Millennium Gate in Indiana, but I bet there's already five in Dubai

 

[Anwar]

If it had ended in a "Quantum Leap" type ending, they're about to face off against a Borg Cube when it cuts to black and says "Voyager never returned home", would that REALLY have been a better ending?

 

[Cyke101]

If it had ended in a "Quantum Leap" type ending, they're about to face off against a Borg Cube when it cuts to black and says "Voyager never returned home", would that REALLY have been a better ending?

Err, I think you're taking that a little too seriously in order to make a kind of strawman. The premise being borrowed isn't that Voyager never returned home, it's that her fate would be open to interpretation and discussion, which would also leave hypothetical endings open as well -- maybe they already defeated the Borg but couldn't use the transwarp conduit, for example? What if we see them riding off into the sunset, no Earth just yet but we see that they're as ready as ever to face down the next cosmic challenge? What if they really and willingly boldly go where no one has gone before?

So essentially, what if they never returned home? On the other side of the coin, what if they had many many more adventures before making it home? Under such an ending, both routes would be equally viable, and if anything, it sort of mythologizes the show Voyager because then her fate would be up to the imagination. It's not unlike Sisko's ending in DS9; however, I would also argue that Voyager would have legitimately pulled off that ending better than Sisko ever did, simply because Voyager's entire premise and 7 years of build-up could foreshadow an ambiguous ending, whereas DS9 just kinda plopped it on Sisko for the last episode.

I'm not saying I would have preferred such an ending, but I can see where people are coming from with the idea.

 

[vas2009]

Busting out of a Borg Sphere in front of an army of federation ships has to be the coolest entrance ever.

Someone make an motion Avatar... PLEASE!!

 

[USS Excelsior]

They probable ended to escape back to the DQ from the Borg Sphere, but they were caught by the Sphere before they could make it. And then they blew it up and weren't expecting to see home and were surprised by it.

If Voyager had movie potential maybe they would have saved the getting home for that instead.

 

[Cyke101]

They probable ended to escape back to the DQ from the Borg Sphere, but they were caught by the Sphere before they could make it. And then they blew it up and weren't expecting to see home and were surprised by it.

If Voyager had movie potential maybe they would have saved the getting home for that instead.

Who knows? Maybe such an ending for the show would have warranted a movie eventually from stirring up such speculation. If Firefly-to-Serenity and Sex and the City has taught us anything, never underestimate the power of a fanbase.