Though, look what they did to the end of the princess bride? The Book ended with such a freaking downer, but I think the happy version is just delightful too. 
Endgame as it was first intended...
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Guy Gardener said:Though, look what they did to the end of the princess bride? The Book ended with such a freaking downer, but I think the happy version is just delightful too.
Yes, it is - it's a fairy tale ending. For a modern fairy tale.
And Guy...who knew you were such a sucker for romance? Aw!
(Believe it or not, I am not being entirely sarcastic here.)
Thank you ma'am.
I'm wondering what would have become of Admiral Janeway if she had survived the episode?
(I just had an Urkle laughing fit.)
Admiral and Captain Kathy both try to seduce and steal the completely married exboyfriend Mark off the unprepared woman he's in nuptials with... Y'Know the real reason the Admiral wanted to get home early, to get her man before the male pattern baldness set in.
Getting the girl/boy is what every story should be about.
(No, okay sometimes I could have been talking about hermaphrodites. Hermaphrodites are people too. Not that you have to be a person for Riker to try to put a leg over.)
I'm going to change my signature now.
I'm wondering what would have become of Admiral Janeway if she had survived the episode?
(I just had an Urkle laughing fit.)
Admiral and Captain Kathy both try to seduce and steal the completely married exboyfriend Mark off the unprepared woman he's in nuptials with... Y'Know the real reason the Admiral wanted to get home early, to get her man before the male pattern baldness set in.
Getting the girl/boy is what every story should be about.
(No, okay sometimes I could have been talking about hermaphrodites. Hermaphrodites are people too. Not that you have to be a person for Riker to try to put a leg over.)
I'm going to change my signature now.
^ Personally, I don't think Mark was worth all the fuss, but different strokes...
(Which was yet another '80s TV sitcom, now that I think about it.)
He was OK, I guess, but jeez, there are other fish in the sea. You're just trying to salvage a happy ending out of this, Guy. Well, happy in a fairy tale/soap opera kind of way.
(Which was yet another '80s TV sitcom, now that I think about it.)
He was OK, I guess, but jeez, there are other fish in the sea. You're just trying to salvage a happy ending out of this, Guy. Well, happy in a fairy tale/soap opera kind of way.
Well the world don't move to the beat of just one drum. What might be right for you might not be right for some.
But yeah, I never got the 'Mark' appeal either. Then again, maybe Janeway (as a female Kirk) secretly wanted more of a stay-at-home husband type?
And at their wedding 'Deawwy bewwowwed...'
But yeah, I never got the 'Mark' appeal either. Then again, maybe Janeway (as a female Kirk) secretly wanted more of a stay-at-home husband type?
And at their wedding 'Deawwy bewwowwed...'
Jeri Taylor wrote two books, that she insisted because she believed she had the power, were TV level canon... Which was just ridiculous. Mosaic and Pathways(??), the first focused heavily on the Janeway/Mark relationship, and you're really pulling for the guy because... Lets just say there's some obfuscation.
We shall not acclimatize to grit and depression, we must fight it.
Therefore we need positive stories and positive role models. A positive attitude, visions of a bright future and the will to strive for it is what can save the world. As Jim Morrison said "We want the world and we want it now".
I must say that I find the scene from BSG described here real sick and crappy. Or to use a term from where I live: "Violence Porn". Tasteless, sick and without any meaning. I'm really happy that I didn't have to watch something similar on Voyager.
BSG is about losers who have wasted a whole planet and now continues to waste their lives in space while Star Trek is about the possibility for the development of humanity beyond the neanderthal state and for a better future.
Guess what I prefer?
I take it the point of Neon Genesis Evangelion's second moive ending would be completely lost on you.
Actually Fairy Tales were altered for the modern audience, for one Cinderella's original version ended with the wicked step-mother hacking up her daughters' feet to fit into the glass slipper and then after the deception was exposed and Cinderella ran off with the prince, the wicked step-sisters had their eyes gouged out by birds. Oh and in the original version of Little Red Ridding Hood, Red and Grandma wound up as wolf food.
I liked it how the princess and the pea was really about the matchmakers finding a woman with sensitive enough vagina to notice the probes of a royal penis which in itself is about the size of a pea, as the story was really about the lower classes making fun of their betters lamb daggers.
It's just plain trickle down theory. What else are adults going to do but repeat stories they have heard before if they don't have the wit to invent? Reign of Fire might have been awful, but the post apocalyptic acting troop preforming Star Wars for the kids was hilarious.
It's just plain trickle down theory. What else are adults going to do but repeat stories they have heard before if they don't have the wit to invent? Reign of Fire might have been awful, but the post apocalyptic acting troop preforming Star Wars for the kids was hilarious.
Eh? That's how I've always known it. Did your version have a happy ending?
The hunter comes in and kicks the wolf's ass... Cuts its belly and voila... Or something!
You're welcome.
I've been trying to think of some good models for "happy but still having some connection to reality" endings. Two that come to mind are The Lord of the Rings and even (believe it or not) Schindler's List. Or, if even Lord of the Rings is too sad for you, how about Charlotte's Web? Bad things happen - in the first two examples, terrible, heart-wrenching, soul-shattering things. Good people (or good spiders, in the case of Charlotte's Web
But in all three...good triumphs in the end. That's a happy ending I can believe in. That's a happy ending that uplifts the spirit.
All Good Choices. I also like 'Playing By Heart', 'The Hours', 'Angels in America', 'V For Vendetta', 'Evening', 'The Family Stone', 'Rent', 'Six Degrees of Separation', 'Torch Song Trilogy', 'The Trip'...just off the top of my head.
But people don't always have to die for me to like movies. lol I like "My Best Friend's Wedding" simply because Julia Roberts doesn't get the boy that she's after.
I was going to say something about that but you've saved me the trouble. I mean...the original version of 'The Little Mermaid' is not the Disney version. lol. But even Disney includes a death now and again. This is one of the reasons why 'Bambi' is a classic.
Very good examples!
But people don't always have to die for me to like movies. lol I like "My Best Friend's Wedding" simply because Julia Roberts doesn't get the boy that she's after.
Hey, any excuse for Julia Roberts to lose is fine by me.
You're all acting like the wolf is the bad guy!
Dude was hungry.
Although, if you believe Niel Gaimen, then there were several versions of the story where the Wolf raped grandma and little red riding hood, but you have to understand that these stories were invented before there was professional sports to keep men entertained.
Actually fairy tales in general relate to a particular culture’s lore, the mythology handed down. It does influence a lot of speculative fiction even today.
America is too new to have “lore” lol, what we have is a conglomerate of what was brought over with people as they came here. Finally someone, probably without thinking about what he was actually doing, “invented” an American style mythology. His name was L. Frank Baum and of course the story was “The Wizard of Oz.” But I also believe that Star Trek falls in that category too, maybe not so totally American, but the mythology is the wished for future.
Brit
I disagree Brit. I think America has lore and myths. Paul Bunyan, John Henry the steel drivin' Man, Johnny Appleseed, Superman, Batman and Tom Sawyer just to name a few.
Heck, even Jason from the Friday the 13th movies!
Unless it was a TV movie, having to wait for a movie to finish the story would suck. Especially since you would have to pay for it.
Heh heh if I'd waited a few months then paid to go to the cinema only to be served a longer, posher version of 'endgame'..... I'd've cried!
In a bigger budget film on its own they could've done things totally differently, tracked down a wormhole or something, with consequences for an alien race to be considered. Plus different interactions between the crew and a bit more time to explore them, maybe even C/7 vs J/C on screen, hopefully the writers feeling a bit refreshed and ready to serve up some really good stuff .... preferably no birth that was soooo cliched, Miral would be a toddler by then but some good interactions between Paris and Torres, an Alien love interest for the Doctor or even Harry...
Then all a mad dash and lots of exciting action to make it through the wormhole of course. Followed by just a few short minutes of time seeing them land on Earth or DS9 and go their separate ways, be reassured the maquis aren't court martialled and things, no particular need to drag all these extra actors in stuff like 'Well I'm off to Indiana to see my mother and think about whether to accept becoming an admiral'
In a bigger budget film on its own they could've done things totally differently, tracked down a wormhole or something, with consequences for an alien race to be considered. Plus different interactions between the crew and a bit more time to explore them, maybe even C/7 vs J/C on screen, hopefully the writers feeling a bit refreshed and ready to serve up some really good stuff .... preferably no birth that was soooo cliched, Miral would be a toddler by then but some good interactions between Paris and Torres, an Alien love interest for the Doctor or even Harry...
Then all a mad dash and lots of exciting action to make it through the wormhole of course. Followed by just a few short minutes of time seeing them land on Earth or DS9 and go their separate ways, be reassured the maquis aren't court martialled and things, no particular need to drag all these extra actors in stuff like 'Well I'm off to Indiana to see my mother and think about whether to accept becoming an admiral'
