Elements of the All Good Things future that became ‘true’...

[Timo]

Also, remember that by Nemesis, Worf had given up his ambassadorship and returned to Starfleet.

That presupposes that Worf left Starfleet in the first place. We don't know that such a thing would be a prerequisite for becoming a diplomat; indeed, Klingons probably would prefer to have a warrior rather than a civilian represent the Federation for them.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What else about the ‘future’ events has subsequently become canon?

Since the entirety of AGT was an illusion created by Q, NONE of it has to ever actually happen.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nonsense. It's a possible future timeline Picard deliberately sabotaged at the end, by telling everyone about it.

Making the entire thing an illusion pretty much castrates one of the greatest Trek episodes ever.

 

[Timo]

Yet what counts as a "possible" timeline?

Virtually everything is possible for our heroes, including deciding whether Romulus blows up or not, and whether the Klingon Empire gets transformed into the Zakdorn-Pakled Suffrageate. But burdening too much of that on the heroes makes them too undifferentiated from Q. At some point, we could declare the "AGT..." future too unlikely to be "possible" or real, thus defining it as a Q illusion and nothing more.

It's just that so far nothing about that future seems too implausible. STXI changed some things, but one unlikely event (Romulus surviving) is not too much yet. It's up to future stories whether the evidence mounts and "AGT..." becomes excessively implausible.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Christopher]

Nonsense. It's a possible future timeline Picard deliberately sabotaged at the end, by telling everyone about it.

Making the entire thing an illusion pretty much castrates one of the greatest Trek episodes ever.

I don't see why. The whole thing was just a test for Picard anyway, and obviously none of it has had any impact beyond the personal. So whether they were real alternative timelines or just a Q simulation of the possibilities doesn't make any real difference to the story's significance.

And frankly all that "anti-time" silliness would make a lot more sense if it were just a Q simulation. I mean, the claim was that the disaster happened because the same ship was generating a beam at the same location in three different time periods -- but the one in the future wasn't the same ship, it was the Pasteur! Not to mention that if the rift was propagating backward in time, how come the future folks didn't see it until after they created it?

 

[Timo]

Not to mention that if the rift was propagating backward in time, how come the future folks didn't see it until after they created it?

That would appear simple enough: the decision to create the rift (that is, to fire the beam from the Pasteur) created the timeline in which the effect propagated backwards; the events leading to that (that is, the Pasteur sailing to the location) necessarily took place in a different timeline. At least, most other time travel in Trek works that way. Naturally, the two earlier timelines would be children of the altered one.

the claim was that the disaster happened because the same ship was generating a beam at the same location in three different time periods

And in-universe, it was obviously a false claim - no reason why the heroes should have known better. The real reasons of script revisions are well known, but I don't think this should be cause for much concern. Q probably trusted that Picard would get to use Riker's E-D, but when things worked out a bit differently he adjusted the scenario.

After all, whether or not the events "took place for real", Q must have been orchestrating them, not only by spoon-feeding Picard information on a very small spoon, but by actively controlling how and when Picard's consciousness jumped between his three bodies. That is, he must have been in control of choosing the timeline into which Picard's consciousness (that is, his special, time-defying knowledge) would end up, essentially choosing from a myriad possibilities as always with timelines. That's godlike power for determining the future, even if said future is quite "real".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[F. King Daniel]

Nonsense. It's a possible future timeline Picard deliberately sabotaged at the end, by telling everyone about it.

Making the entire thing an illusion pretty much castrates one of the greatest Trek episodes ever.

I don't see why. The whole thing was just a test for Picard anyway, and obviously none of it has had any impact beyond the personal. So whether they were real alternative timelines or just a Q simulation of the possibilities doesn't make any real difference to the story's significance.

Maybe not to the story of AGT, but to me the viewer, I thought seeing where the Next Gen crew were 25 years in the future was really cool. That it was a possible future, or the future until Picard spilled the beans to everyone at the end, gives it more meaning to me than if it was ultimately a "Future Imperfect" -style fakeout.

And frankly all that "anti-time" silliness would make a lot more sense if it were just a Q simulation. I mean, the claim was that the disaster happened because the same ship was generating a beam at the same location in three different time periods -- but the one in the future wasn't the same ship, it was the Pasteur! Not to mention that if the rift was propagating backward in time, how come the future folks didn't see it until after they created it?

Space magic!

 

[inflatabledalek]

Everything in All Good Things came true. All the stuff that contradicts it are just delusions Picard had brought on by his condition. I mean, Nemesis is clearly the product of a sick, sick mind.

 

[MacLeod]

He was cut from the theatrical version.

I celebrated the day he announced they cut his scene. Poor guy but frankly that movie was going to be crap anyhow, it didn't need more to be put in. How the hell do you explain Wesley Crusher? The whole beginning of the movie would have been overshawdowed with questions of how and why.

Not really, because Wesley's time with the Traveler was never integral to the film, much like the backstories of much of the TNG cast when they transitioned to the big screen (like references to the Dominion War and the Farpoint Mission, they were mainly glossed over or mentioned only in passing if it was relevant to the current movie).

For Wesley, all that's needed is a brief throwaway line about his returning to Starfleet after being away for while, and even that isn't really needed for a small cameo since it would be apparent onscreen that he was back, and may have been for a while now.

Well there is always the little known seldom used reserve activation clause. And we did see Wes as a full Ensign in TNG.

 

[Lance]

For Wesley, all that's needed is a brief throwaway line about his returning to Starfleet after being away for while, and even that isn't really needed for a small cameo since it would be apparent onscreen that he was back, and may have been for a while now.

The little deleted scene of Wes in Nem did exactly that, with Picard basically covering it by mentioning "it's good to see you back in uniform". The hows and whys of that are largely irrelevant (and probably would have served as fodder for a novel or two ).

 

[C.E. Evans]

For Wesley, all that's needed is a brief throwaway line about his returning to Starfleet after being away for while, and even that isn't really needed for a small cameo since it would be apparent onscreen that he was back, and may have been for a while now.

The little deleted scene of Wes in Nem did exactly that, with Picard basically covering it by mentioning "it's good to see you back in uniform". The hows and whys of that are largely irrelevant (and probably would have served as fodder for a novel or two ).

Yep, that's the way to do it.

 

[Timo]

it would be apparent onscreen that he was back, and may have been for a while now.

Alternately, it would be apparent that he was not back, he wasn't even there as far as the other people were concerned, and he was having great fun not really being there - in uniform no less.

Surely we could expect that much for a young timelord who still has fond feelings for us ugly bags of mostly water?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Well there is always the little known seldom used reserve activation clause. And we did see Wes as a full Ensign in TNG.

In simpler language....they DRAFTED him!