Maybe that Q/Guinan stand off was just El Aurian for middle fingers.
El-Aurian vs Q
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What if what was seen in TNG, was just Q and Guinan playing good cop and bad cop, and both actually like each other and/or have the same intentions for Picard and/or the human species
When I first discovered "Star Trek VII: Generations" I thought the Nexus would explain why Guinan's people had some sort of repellent toward Q. As I continued watching that horrible trainwreck of a movie the plot device was just as irrelevant as that movie.
Yeah, and the Nexus "explanation" makes absolutely no sense for Guinan at all. Why would she be on Earth all that time in the past, return to her people, just to end up in Federation space again, after escaping the Borg for example
And it doesn't explain anything about her relationship with Q, why he might consider her dangerous, her hand gestures in "Q, Who", and just makes everything much more confusing.
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Yeah, and the Nexus "explanation" makes absolutely no sense for Guinan at all. Why would she be on Earth all that time in the past, return to her people, just to end up in Federation space again, after escaping the Borg for example
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We assume that the El-Aurian refugees in GEN had come straight from the Borg attack on their planet. But Guinan herself said in Q Who?, "I wasn't there personally, but from what I'm told, they swarmed through our system. And when they left, there was little or nothing left of my people." Maybe she had met up with them on her way from somewhere else, and they couldn't go back to their home planet, so they ended up roaming into Federation space.
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What if what was seen in TNG, was just Q and Guinan playing good cop and bad cop, and both actually like each other and/or have the same intentions for Picard and/or the human species
I prefer to accept what I see on the screen and not
That's possible but why was she be on a federation vessel with the other refugees, if the other El Aurians must have had their own ship(s), in which they escaped the Borg? And the Nexus doesn't really explain anything at all about her powers and her history with Q.
All it did was adding new plot holes and unanswered questions.
I prefer to accept what I see on the screen and notinvent stuff whole cloth by pulling it out of my hindquartersengage in such fanciful speculations.
Was not meant to be taken totally serious, but on the other side it's not as shitty imho as what the script writers pulled out of their asses in Generations, regarding Guinan
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Was not meant to be taken totally serious, but on the other side it's not as shitty imho as what the script writers pulled out of their asses in Generations, regarding Guinan
Fair point but that at least has the virtue of being official content and not what amounts to glorified fanfiction.
There wasn't a timeline shift. Guinan might know about the Kelvin timeline though when Nero invaded.
I haven't kept up on the Disco storyline in a while. If that was when Burnham and co. went forward a thousand years or however long, and they originally weren't supposed to disappear into the future like that, then perhaps their absence in the 23rd century would have led to an alternate timeline as things developed differently from the 2260s onward because of their absence?
Kor
There was never a late 23rd century timeline where Discovery and Burnham were "always there", at least within filmed Trek. The strongest evidence being no spore drive at all in TOS through Voyager and Burnham's complete absence in Spock's outright death and resurrection in the movies. Her and Discovery jumping into the future always had happened. This isn't a Trials and Tribble-ations DS9 thing where there was an original timeline that was overwritten.
The "tickle" stance may just mean that Guinan has some level of defence/resistance to Q powers, though given Qs dialogue it appeared that Q was still confident he could apply those powers on her. She's an "imp" because she is capable of resisting to some degree but not capable of stopping Q.
Though I would like to see Guinan in PIC at some point.
Though I would like to see Guinan in PIC at some point.
You're getting your wish.
I always interpretated GEN to mean, that the El Aurians were refugees post-Borg attack, and have been roaming since, but the attack may have been days or centuries before. It's never made clear.
I also think that Guinan and other El Aurians once explored the galaxy (e.g. Times Arrow).
It just happened to be that at some point she ended up on that fateful ship that the Enterprise B encountered.
I never took it to be a direct flee from the Borg, but a continuation of the journey which started at an undefined time.
Guinan says in one episode that her people were scattered throughout the galaxy. So some were obviously not refugees in the literal sense of the word.
Also, the El Aurian characters never themselves use the word "refugee".
In a "Starlog" cartoon, back in the day, "Q" calls her his... "X".
Well he was clearly concerned about her fetish for nipple play
Her powers are clearly nothing compared to Burnham's. It's also why we will never see Q in Discovery
Promise?
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